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Posted by: Rachel {Email left}
Location: Haslemere
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 1:32 PM

I am writing a fictional book for young adults about World War 1. Obviously I am aiming to make it as factually accurate as possible, and wondered if you could help with some of the detail. One of my characters lives in the East End of London and signs up in the Autumn of 1914. Do you have any suggestions as to which unit/ regiment he would join?

many thanks

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 3:54 PM

Dear Rachel,
The 17th (County of London) Battalion The London Regiment (Poplar and Stepney Rifles) was based at the drill hall at 66 Tredegar Road, Bow, East London, in 1914. It was a Territorial army battalion and was actually at annual camp when war was declared. Later in August 1914 the men moved to form-up in the St Albans area with the 2nd London Division. On 16 March 1915 they landed at Le Havre and on 11th May 1915 the 2nd London Division became numbered as the 47th Division. They served in France and Flanders throughout the war as the 1st/17th Battalion ("first seventeenth") because they raised a 2nd/17th Battalion at the outbreak of war. For their major engagements see:

The Battalion's war diary is available as a download from the National Archives website for £3.36. See:

A private soldier in the 17th Battalion London Regiment was known as a "rifleman". For some history of the regiment see:

Kind regards,
Reply from: Rachel
Date: Friday 15th February 2013 at 9:31 PM

Dear Alan

thank you so much for your prompt and helpful response! If I can land a publishing deal, I'll make sure to give you a credit!

Posted by: Hilary Fox {Email left}
Location: Crowborough
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 8:18 PM
Dear Alan

I am trying to find out whether my great uncle William Hector Knowles served in World War 1. He was born in 1878 in London, possibly Kensington. His father was William Charles Knowles. His mother was Ellen Knowles (nee Ward). He had two siblings; Jessie Lily Jemima Knowles and Edith May Knowles. Edith was my grandmother. She severed all connection with her family when she married in1900. I have William Hector as far as the 1891 Census. After that I have not been able to find anything. I would greatly appreciate your help.

Kind regards - Hilary Fox
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 9:17 PM

Dear Hilary,
The surviving military records from the First World War are not complete and the majority do not provide biographical information. There are no obvious Army records for a William Knowles born 1878 and there are no obvious Navy records. It is not possible to suggest which of the 256 men named William Knowles or William H Knowles, who served abroad with the Army, may or may not have been your ancestor. It is necessary to establish from family sources in which regiment he served and his regimental number. It is rarely practicable to begin to search the other way round.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Hilary Fox
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 11:49 AM

Thank you, Alan, I rather thought this might be the case, but it was worth a shot. I will trawl the Census returns once more to see whether any trace of William Hector comes to light and then proceed as you suggest.

Kind regards - Hilary
Posted by: Geoff {Email left}
Location: Maidenhead
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 7:14 PM
Hi Alan,
I am trying to locate an address in relation to one of my relatives.
I have an old sepia postcard entitled Raglan Barracks, Devonport. Apparently it is a Western News Photo.
The soldiers on parade appear to be wearing WW1 uniforms. On the back, the written message says that this was taken when General Sir Charles Sole (or Cole) inspected the King`s Regiment.
The address for the postcard to be sent to is -
South Ragman`s,
(then looks like) Bagg Rd,
I have been unable to find the General concerned or the address, so I wondered if you could possibly help.
I await your reply with anticipation.
Best regards,
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 10:13 PM

Dear Geoff,
I'm afraid I've come up with nothing that can assist you. The information you have is not specific enough to facilitate a successful search.
You could contact Plymouth local studies library for help with old street names. See:

Kind regards,
Posted by: Anne Lewis {Email left}
Location: London
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 2:58 PM
Dear Alan

It is a long time since I wrote but I can see you are still offering your wonderful research service so I thought I would ask you for help. At a large family get together of my husband's Welsh clan in April we would like to commemorate the service of one of his uncles Ernest Edwards from Abercynon.
This is what we know from a certificate he kept:
Reg no. 171865, Joined MGC 11/12/15, 20th Training Reserve Battalion. 14/1/1919 Demob, Victory and British Medals. 26/7/1920 MG Record no 4450.
No service record survives for him but we would like to give some idea of what his service experience in France during his 4 years abroad was like.
We have tried AVL in Glamorgan but no luck there as his battalion is not given. I have been to NA to see the medal roll book but that just said MGC.
However the two soldiers either side of his reg no. were both KIA on 4/11/18 i.e. 171864 MGC Wallace James Davies from Pelsall, Walsall, aged 21, and 171866 MGC James Elliott from Bradford, Yorks. Both are buried at Crossroads Cemetery, Fontaine au Bois, Nord France in CWG.
The big question I wonder is does this suggest that all the soldiers who signed up at the same time served together as a unit throughout the war or is this just coincidence that these 2 soldiers died in the same place at the same time? Can we assume that Uncle Ernie was there too?
Your wise experience is greatly valued in such matters.
with many thanks

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 6:52 PM

Dear Anne,
Without an individual service record for Ernest Edwards it is not possible to suggest his wartime service. Unless you have evidence for his company or battalion of the Machine Gun Corps it is impossible to know where he served. Men who enlisted together did not necessarily serve together as once a soldier had passed basic training he could be posted anywhere.
Men who enlisted in December 1915 enlisted under the Derby Scheme which was a final call for volunteers before compulsory conscription in 1916. The deadline was December 15th 1915 and Ernest enlisted on December 11th. These men were told they could enlist now but would return home the same day and would be called up when required. In the case of Ernest Edwards he was enlisted on 11th December 1915 and could have been called up at any date from January 1st 1916 to November 11th 1918.
He trained with the 20th Training Reserve Battalion. The 20th Reserve Training Battalion was created on September 1st 1916. The majority of Training Reserve Battalions were re-organised in May 1917 and took different titles as Young Soldier Battalions and Graduated Battalions, although some remained in existence until 1918 when four specialised in the training of recruits for the Machine Gun Corps. For example, a soldier named William Steward Hopkins (171037 MGC) served with the 20th Training Reserve Battalion as late as April 1918. This is clearly stated on his record, providing evidence that the 20th Training Reserve Battalion maintained that title in April 1918 after the 1917 re-organisation. Another soldier, Oswald Lloyd (171928 MGC) attended the "20th T.R for MGC" in April 1918 which indicated the 20th Training Reserve Battalion specialised in providing young men for the MGC. Once trained, the recruits were allotted to companies or battalions of the Machine Gun Corps as required and were given new regimental numbers. What is not clear is how the MGC allotted its regimental numbers. They could have been allocated to Battalions in blocks or they could have been allotted to recruits in sequence as they joined the MGC.

Ernest Edwards was allotted the regimental number 171865 in the MGC and would have been posted abroad in 1917 or 1918. The evidence points towards 1918.
A search of the surviving service records for soldiers in the Machine Gun Corps with six-digit regimental numbers starting 171 showed that the lowest number, 171037 was allotted in April 1918 to a soldier who later served in the 37th Battalion MGC. The number 171155 (4th Battalion MGC) was allotted in April 1918, as was 171815 (29th Battalion MGC) and 171928 (1st Battalion).
A search of "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) for soldiers of the MGC with six-digit numbers starting 171 recorded that those who died all served late in 1918.
The closest regimental numbers were:
171853; 25th Battalion. 171857; 25th Battalion; 171864; 50th Battalion (171865 is your Ernest Edwards). 171866; 50th Battalion. 171907; 32nd Battalion. 171942; 33rd Battalion (also at Cross Roads Cemetery).
These small samples show that the 25th battalion numbers appeared to be allotted in sequence within that battalion as did the 50th Battalion numbers. The two men you name with the regimental numbers in the same sequence may or may not have served alongside Ernest Edwards.
There is now circumstantial evidence and compelling evidence that Ernest Edwards served with the 50th Battalion MGC in France and Flanders in 1918, but there is no irrefutable evidence.

The men with the numbers 171864 and 171866 both were killed serving with the 50th Battalion of the Machine Gun Corps. That Battalion was formed on March 1st 1918 by combining the four machine gun companies of the 50th (Northumberland) Division. Those four companies had been 149, 150, 151 and 245 Companies MGC. These then became "A", "B", "C" & "D" Companies of 50th Battalion MGC.
The 50th Division faced severe fighting in 1918 and after the Battle of Aisne 1918 (27 May - 6 June 1918) the Division was withdrawn. It was not rebuilt until October 1918 and took part in the Battles of the Hindenburg line and the Final Advance in Picardy. Demobilization for the Division began in December 1918.
There is no conclusive evidence to show Ernest Edwards served alongside the two men you have named. It is possible but it is not certain. His regimental number suggests that despite volunteering under the Derby Scheme he may not have been called up until later in the war to serve in the MGC in 1918. You may wish to make further inquiries with the Machine Gun Corps Database.

Kind regards,
Reply from: Anne
Date: Saturday 16th February 2013 at 11:39 AM

Once more Alan a fantastic comprehensive speedy reply for which I am very grateful. You have given me much food for thought and I will follow your suggestion to contact the MGC database. It's very interesting that with the MGC it appears he only spent a short time in France whereas he himself and his obituary said he served four years in France so perhaps he was with another battalion before then, although his medal card index does only show the MGC number. Many thanks again Alan. Very best wishes. Anne
Posted by: Denis {Email left}
Location: Nottingham
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 2:56 PM
Dear Alan i am now retired and i am looking for any info on my grandad who i never new ihave found a box of bits after clearing out a flat that my aunt lived in and in it found a photo and a certificate of discharge from the army the army number is 34969 the name is Albert Crane the date on the paper is 31-1-07 but i cant read anthing eles any information you can supply would be much appreciated many thanks Denis
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 6:51 PM

Dear Denis,
Albert Crane enlisted in the Royal Field Artillery on 10th May 1889 aged 18. He had grey eyes and brown hair and a tattoo of an anchor on his left forearm. He served with the 39th and 102 Brigades in the UK until 1901 when he was sent to India with the 55th Brigade RFA until 1907 when he returned to the UK and was discharged at the end of his first term of service. On 10th May 1911 he re-enlisted for a second term of service of four years (or five if serving abroad in the fourth year). At the outbreak of war he was mobilized and went to France, arriving on 23rd August 1914, which was the first day of the Battle of Mons. He served initially with the 5th Division Ammunition Column until 9th November 1914 when he was posted to the 4th Division Ammunition Column. The 5th Division in that time saw action at the Battle of Le Cateau and the Affair of Crepy-en-Valois; The Battle of the Marne; The Battle of the Aisne; The Battles of La Bassee and Messines 1914 and The First Battle of Ypres. In the 4th Division, after November 1914, their major engagements were at The Second Battle of Ypres in 1915 and The Battle of Albert (July 1st to 13th 1916) on the Somme.
His term of engagement ended while he was with 4th DAC on 9th May 1916 (after five years as he was abroad at the time) and he returned to the UK for discharge in May 1916 rather than continue to serve until the end of the war. He had done his bit and missed The Battles of the Somme (1916) by a few weeks.
He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
His service record is available on the website (subscription required). Many larger libraries provide free access to the ancestry website.
Kind regards,
Posted by: Helen {Email left}
Location: Rugeley
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 2:21 PM
I am trying to contact Victoria Harley re. George Salt . I think we are researching the same person and I would like to contact you. I don't think I can be of any help tp you but you may well be able to help me.
Helen Sharp
Reply from: Victoria Harley
Date: Monday 20th May 2013 at 11:34 AM

Hi Helen! Ive just seen this message. Speak soon. Vicky.
Posted by: Jenny {Email left}
Location: Belfast
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 1:13 PM

I am looking for help in the research of my great grandfather James Lindsay (sometimes known as Joseph). He was born in Northern Ireland in 1877 and according to the 1901 census he was in the Royal Field Artillery. He died on 01.05.1957 and is buried in Belfast. The family discussions have mentioned that he was in the Boar War, can you provide me with any more information. Many thanks.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 6:53 PM

Dear Jenny,
It is not possible to positively identify a soldier's record from his name and year of birth only.
That said, there was a James Lindsay born Dromore, Co Down, 1877, who served in the Royal Field Artillery in South Africa between May and September 1902 which may be the correct man. His service record can be downloaded (charges apply) from the website. I cannot transcribe it for you as that would be a breach of that website's copyright.
There does appear to be only one J Lindsay who served in the South African war in the Royal Field Artillery, so it is likely this man is your ancestor. James appears to have been a waggon wheel maker who enlisted in 1901 at Belfast before moving to the Artillery Depot at Woolwich and then being posted to South Africa in May 1902 where he joined the 14th Battery after the war was over (it concluded on May 31st 1902). His service appears to have been for the South African War only, as a bombardier (corporal) wheeler. In the 1911 census of Ireland he appears to be a master coach and waggon builder with his wife, Martha, and family at a house 55 in Lavina Street (Cromac, Antrim). It would make sense that a waggon wheeler would progress to become a master waggon builder.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Jenny
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 8:46 AM


Thank you so much for all your help, this has really moved my family research forward. I will make a donation to the local British Legion in thanks for your work.

Posted by: Howard Barkell {Email left}
Location: Lydford Devon
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 11:08 AM
Dear Alan,
I am researching Lewis Worden, born c. 1874. I know that he served in India with 1 Devons, but can find nothing else about his service. I know 1 Devons were in 2nd Boer War, but don't know whether Lewis was with them. Similarly nothing about WW1, but perhaps he was too old to serve overseas by then. Do records from pre WW1 survive and where is the best place to access them?
Kind regards,
Howard Barkell
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 6:57 PM

Dear Howard,
Service records for Lewis Worden's service in the Militia and 18 years the regular army are held at the National Archives at Kew where they can be viewed at no charge. They are also available online to download from the website where charges apply. You will need ten credits to view the two sets of documents. Do not click on "view transcription" as that will waste credits. The records are under "British army Service Records" in the name of Lewis Worden.

I cannot transcribe the information for you as that would be a breach of copyright.
The birth of a Lewis Worden was registered at Oakhampton in Jan-March 1874. He appears to have been the son of John and Jane Worden of Mares Cottage, Northlew, Devon.
At the age of 18 Lewis enlisted in the Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry Militia which was part-time service. Many young men considering the Army joined the Militia first as a "toe in the water" and then transferred to the regular army. Lewis then joined the Devonshire Regiment where he would have served initially in the 3rd (Depot) Battalion for training before being posted to the 1st Battalion The Devonshire Regiment. He served a short time with the 2nd Battalion in the UK before being posted to India with the 1st Battalion in December 1893. The 1st Battalion The Devonshire Regiment saw action in the disturbances on the North West Frontier in 1897-98 and took part in the Tirah Expeditionary Force in 1897-98. The Battalion was sent to South Africa and took part in the Second Anglo Boer War (1899-1902) with actions at Elandslaagte, Natal, on 21 October 1899; the Defence of Ladysmith 3 November 1899 28 February 1900 and Belfast, Transvaal, 26-27 August 1900.
In January 1902 the Battalion returned to India. Lewis returned to the UK in `1908 and served in the 3rd Battalion before leaving the Army in January 1912. In the 1911 census he was recorded as private Lewis Warden (sic) of the 1st Devonshire Regiment at the Military Hospital, Devonport.
He qualified for the India General Service Medal with clasps "Punjab Frontier" and "Tirah"; The Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps Elandslaagte; Defence of Ladysmith and Belfast; The King's South Africa Medal with clasps "1901" and "1902". He also qualified for the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal which was awarded for 18 years' unblemished service (source: Meurig Jones: The Register of the Anglo Boer War 1899-1902).
There is no obvious record for service in the First World War. In 1914, Lewis would have been an experienced former soldier aged 40 and he might have served in England as an instructor or administrator or he may have been employed in a civilian job that contributed towards war service. However, he was an Army pensioner by 1914, as opposed to a reservist having left the Army recently, so he was not compelled to serve in the First World War.
The regimental museum is at Dorchester. See:

Kind regards,
Reply from: Howard Barkell
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 10:32 AM

Dear Alan,

Once again many thanks for your prompt reply, full of useful information and suggestions for further research.
Whilst on the subject of India perhaps you could make some informed comment about the following three men. John Voyzey served with 2/4 DCLI in India, but appears to have no medal card. Louis (Lewis) Albert Pellow served with the RHA and does have a medal. Anecdotally Frederick Arthur Guscott served in India with 1/6 Devons but has no card. I have him joining 3/6 Devons on 4 Nov 1915. He could have been sent as a replacement but I would have thought that would have involved service in Mesopotamia. Do you think it more likely that he stayed with 3/6?

Best wishes,

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 4:02 PM

Dear Howard,
India was not a theatre of war. British Territorial battalions were despatched there to allow regular army battalions to return to Europe. Service in India was generally policing the empire therefore soldiers who served there did not qualify for campaign medals. India was a hospital base for soldiers who served in Mesopotamia and some soldiers may have been based in India temporarily while en route to Mesopotamia. The 2/4th DCLI remained in India from 9 January 1915, so members of that battalion had no automatic qualification for medals.
The 1st/6th Battalion The Devonshire Regiment served in India from 11 November 1914 but on 30th December 1915 sailed for Basra from Karachi and then served in Mesopotamia for the remainder of the war. The 3rd/6th Bn Devonshire Regiment was a training battalion which was based only in England and Ireland. On 8th April 1916 it took the new title of 6th Reserve Battalion until September 1916 when it was absorbed by the 4th Reserve Battalion. If Frederick Arthur Guscott joined 3/6th Devons in November 1915, logic would have it that he would have been posted to the 2nd/6th or 1st/6th, both of which saw service in India and Mesopotamia. Therefore he should have qualified for the British War and Victory medals. Indeed, an Army medal rolls index card for Private Frederick A. Gustcott (sic) 266698 Devonshire Regiment, recorded he qualified for those two medals.
Lewis Albert Pellow was conscripted in 1916 and was called up on 9th February 1917 into No 8 Reserve Brigade Royal Horse Artillery at Bulford. He sailed to India on 25 September 1917 and remained abroad until the 23rd November 1919. In India he served with the Royal Horse Artillery at the No 4 Training Depot and on May 8th 1919 he was posted to 1097 Battery in 216 (CCXVI) Brigade Royal Field Artillery.
The Third Afghan War was fought between 6 May 1919 and 8 August 1919, during which time Lewis was with 1097 Battery. Gunner Lewis A. Pellow, 206580, qualified for the British War Medal. The qualification for this medal - that the person must have given approved service on duty overseas in a theatre of war - was extended to cover the minor engagements that followed after the November 11th 1918 Armistice with Germany. So it appears Lewis went to war with 1097 Battery and saw active service in the Third Afghan War. Qualification for the Victory Medal was not extended, except in the case of Hedjaz and the Aden Field Force, which accounts for the British War Medal sometimes being issued alone.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Howard Barkell
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 8:50 PM

Alan, you've come up trumps again! Things which have been niggling me for ages solved in a few minutes.
I am writing a profile for each of the 90 or so local men who served in WW1, so any snippet is hungrily snapped up to help portray as interesting and accurate a piece as I can manage. Hopefully a local exhibition in August 2014 will be the result.
Once again many thanks.
Posted by: Pauline Cooke
Location: Sandiacre Derbyshire
Date: Tuesday 12th February 2013 at 1:47 PM
Dear Sir
My father died two years ago at the age 89, he never forgot what he went through in the 2nd world war we think he was at the battle of monti casino.
he used to get very up set about his war time experiance.
his army number was 1806094 frank gill he was born in sandiacre derbyshire on june the 19th 1921.
is it possable you can tell us were he went and what he did.
regards pauline cooke
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 12th February 2013 at 4:27 PM

Dear Pauline,
Service records for soldiers who fought in the Second World War are held by the Ministry of Defence. The MOD will release certain amounts of information about a deceased person depending on whether you are the direct next-of-kin, or not. You can apply for a search using the different application forms for next-of-kin, or with permission of next-of-kin, or as a general enquirer. See:

Click on the link and then look for "Service records - requests for service records of deceased service personnel and home guard" in the left-hand column.
You will need proof of death (copy of death certificate); the soldier's date of birth or service number; and next-of-kin's signed permission (unless you are the direct next-of-kin), known as form Part 1. You then need a completed form Part 2 (search details), and cheque for payment. The next-of-kin form (Part 1) is for completion by the next-of-kin of deceased service personnel (or enquirers with the consent of next of kin). The Part 2 form is entitled: "Request forms for service personnel Army" A cheque for GBP 30 should be made payable to "The MOD Accounting Officer" and sent to Army Personnel Centre Secretariat, Disclosures 2, Mail Point 515, Kentigern House, 65, Brown Street, Glasgow G2 8EX Scotland with all the paperwork.
Searches take several months to complete.
Kind regards,
Posted by: Noel Evans {Email left}
Location: Pnearth
Date: Tuesday 12th February 2013 at 12:51 PM
Hello Alan,

I am trying to find more information about my great uncles Emrys Morgan Evans
and Owen Evans from Llanbethery in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Owen died on 12th September 1918 and his name is on the Plougsteerte memorial. His service number was 202824 and he served with the Ox and Bucks regiment.

His brother Owen was with the Royal Sussex regiment and died on 7th July 1916.He is buried at Ovillers Cemetary and his number was G/1025.

We are planning to visit the cemetery and memorial in April and would love to have some background information.

Many thanks.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 12th February 2013 at 4:28 PM

Dear Noel,
No individual service record has survived for Emrys Williams so it is not possible to state his wartime service in detail.
Emrys Williams served in a Territorial Army battalion of the Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry with the regimental number 6718. All Territorial numbers were changed in early 1917 and Emrys was allotted the new number 202824. That number was allotted to the 4th Battalion Ox and Bucks. An Army medal rolls index card showed that Emrys Williams qualified for the British War medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not go overseas until some date after January 1st 1916. There were two 4th Battalions of the regiment. The original first battalion was supplemented by a second battalion which became known as the 2nd/4th Battalion. It was formed at Oxford in September 1914 and in January 1915 it moved to Northampton and was attached to 184th Brigade in the 61st (2nd South Midland) Division. It moved to Writtle and Broomfield (Essex) in April 1915. In January 1916 it moved to Parkhouse Camp, Salisbury Plain from where it was sent to France on May 26th 1916.
The regimental history has been published online. See:

Owen Evans was killed serving with the 7th Battalion The Royal Sussex Regiment. An Army medal rolls index card showed he departed for France on 31st May 1915. The 7th Battalion was recorded as landing in France on 1st June 1915, therefore it is likely that Owen Evans trained with and went to France with the 7th Battalion. The Battalion served in the 36th Brigade in the 12th Division. The Division's engagements are listed at:

Owen was killed during the Battle of Albert in the attack at Ovillers by 36th Brigade on 7th July.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Noel Evans
Date: Tuesday 12th February 2013 at 7:54 PM

Thanks for the speedy reply and the useful background information. It doesn't look as though it is likely that we will be able to find out much more about Emrys. We have however just discovered that he had a twin brother, Emlyn, who died in the 1950s. We have no idea if he served in France and will try to pursue that line of enquiry. There were another two brothers, Trithydd and Edgar, who may also have been in the Army at that time, so lots to work on!

Again, very many thanks for your help. We will be making a donation to the Royal British Legion as a gesture of thanks and also to the current appeal to fund a memorial to fallen Welsh soldiers in Flanders.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Noel Evans
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 10:40 PM

Hi again Alan,

Is it possible to find out if Emrys' twin brother Emlyn enlisted with him? We have no real information about him at all. There seems to be no mention of him during the war years.
We imagine that he may have enlisted with his brother but who knows?

Reply from: Aloan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 11:12 PM

Dear Noel,
There is no obvious record among the 29 men named Emlyn Williams listed in the Army medal rolls index of The First World War of a man who may have been the twin brother of Emrys Williams.
Reply from: Noel Evans
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 11:16 PM

Thanks Alan.
It would have been Emlyn Evans , brother of Emrys Morgan Evans and not Williams.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 13th February 2013 at 11:21 PM

Dear Noel,
Leave that with me overnight while I get my brain in gear.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 1:20 PM

Dear Noel,
There is no obvious military record that identifies Emlyn Evans. He appears to have been christened William Emrys Evans at Cardiff in 1894 and was living with his twin brother and parents at Llanvythin and Llancarfan, Glamorganshire, in 1911. As not all service records have survived and other records do not provide biographical information it is not possible to state whether he enlisted or not. My apologies for transposing the surname Williams onto the family earlier.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Noel Evans
Date: Thursday 14th February 2013 at 8:08 PM

Hello Alan,
Thanks again for this. We do at least know that he was William now. It seems to be a bit of a mystery about Emlyn (William) as we have no idea where he went after the war. Indeed we have virtually no information about him at all which surprises us as he was a twin - lots of bits and pieces about Emrys though, prior to enlisting. Given that his father was the Reverend of the village chapel and as such a leader in this rural community, we had hoped that it would be a relatively easy task. The family comprised of 6 boys and a girl so I think we probably have a lot of leads to start following which hopefully will eventually shed a little more light on my grandfather's family.
Once again, very many thanks for your assistance.

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