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Posted by: Rob {Email left}
Location: Lutterworth
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 7:43 PM
Hi Alan. I am trying to trace where my great grandfather serverd. he was with the 1/1st warwickshire royal horse artillery.(foiund that bit out) he was gassed and left for dead. some belgian folks turned him over to take his watch and found his was alive. he came back to england and when he was out of hospital was sent to guard a railway station in london. he joinend up aged 15. in early 1916. would like to find out where his regiment was? any help would be good cheers Alan
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 8:20 PM

What was his name?
Reply from: Rob
Date: Wednesday 14th November 2012 at 10:52 AM

Hi alan service number 190731 GNR W.Henson(william)
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 14th November 2012 at 3:55 PM

Dear Rob,
An Army medal rolls index card showed William Henson 190731 served in the Royal Garrison Artillery. This does not match service in the Royal Horse Artillery.
Kind regards,
Posted by: John {Email left}
Location: Scotland
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 7:08 PM
Hi Alan

My grandfather Matthew Drynan # 057458 who served in 2nd coy A.S.C 29th Reserve Park Mediterranean Expeditionary Force Egypt May 27th 1915 . Can you help me with more information on my grandfather and the A.S.C 29th ?

Kind regards
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 8:18 PM

Dear John,
No individual service record has survived for Matthew Drynan so it is not possible to suggest his wartime service. An Army medal rolls index card showed he first went abroad with the ASC to Salonika on 2nd April 1915. However, he ended the war as private 34981 in the Royal Scots (Lothian Regiment). It is not possible to say where or when he was transferred.
The war diary of 29 Reserve Park ASC (National Archives WO95/4809) recorded they were formed from the 270th Horse Transport Company ASC and served in the Mediterranean theatre from 1st April 1915 to 31 October 1919. They would have performed a variety of administrative, training and re-supply roles. In Salonika they would also have dealt with mules which were suited to the terrain.
Matthew qualified for the 1914-15 Star, The British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
Sadly there is no evidence for when he transferred to the Royal Scots. The 1st Battalion Royal Scots were serving at Salonika from December 1915 until the end of the war but that may be a co-incidence.
Kind regards,
Reply from: John
Date: Wednesday 14th November 2012 at 8:31 AM

Alan Thank you so much for your quick reply it helps a lot
Posted by: Ann Wilson {Email left}
Location: Sale
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 4:07 PM
My grandfather Ernest Calton lived in Sheffield and joined the 4th (2/4th) (H Res) Bn. York and Lancaster Regt. on 5.1.15 aged 29. His record shows he was in England until 18.8.15 and was then 'abroad' from 19.8.15 to 10.6.16,(leaving from Southampton and landing in 'Havre 20.8.15). He returned home 11.6.16 (and was 'attached for duty' on 14.6.16 to Sanderson and Newbould Ltd. Sheffield as a munitions worker.)
My mother seems to think he talked of being in the Battle of the Somme but having found the above information I am puzzled as this battle started after he left France for England.
The Battle of Loos started Sept 25th 1915 but I can't find any mention of his battalion being involved.
I just wonder if anyone can shed any light on what my grandad and his battalion would have been likely to have been involved in during his time in France. I am not sure what the 'normal' time of service 'abroad' was during WW1. Any information at all would be welcomed even if general.
Thank you.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 7:16 PM

Dear Ann,
The normal term of service was "for the duration of the war" but Ernest Calton was returned to the UK for service as a munitions worker. This may have been connected with his previous employment at a time when munitions workers were in short supply. He enlisted on 5th January 1915 in the 2nd/4th York and Lancaster Regiment and went to France on 17th August 1915 where he was posted to the 1st/4th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment who were serving with the 148th Infantry Brigade in the 49th Division. The Division's only major engagement in his time with the 1st/4th Battalion was the
The defence against the first Phosgene attack near Wieltje on December 19th 1915. The Division had moved to the Somme region in the summer of 1916 and Ernest was returned to the UK on 10th June 1916 for munitions service. He remained in the UK until the end of the war. His military service ended in 1919. He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, The British War Medal and the Victory Medal. In 1917 he had an accident at the munitions factory and had part of his first finger on his left hand amputated.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Ann Wilson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 9:02 PM

Dear Alan
That is absolutely amazing Alan and thank you so much for such a speedy and informative reply... I am fascinated to know how you have this information available ...I found out my 'bits' from but I have been really struggling to fill in the info in your 2nd paragraph...He and his brother Arthur were both soldiers but I did not know Arthur and so have not researched him (as yet!).. Both worked at Sanderson and Newbould Steel Mill in Sheffield all their lives and served 106 years between them, my grandad retiring at the age of 70 apparently. This is where he was attached as a munitions worker on his return from France.
Thanks very much once again.
Posted by: Terryh {Email left}
Location: Horley
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 3:48 PM
Hi Allen,can you help me? I am trying to trace my uncle James Hardington who served in the West Yorkshire Reg..(prince of wales own) 2nd/6th Btn no.52073. and I`m told was killed on the 22/11/1917... I dont know any-more than that, I would be obliged if you can give me any further information...Its a great site and interesting reading the help you give to others ... Thanks a bunch. terry.h
Reply from: Chris
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 6:13 PM

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission has his death at,%20JAMES and he is commemorated at Cambrai Memorial.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 6:37 PM

Dear Terry,
James Hardington was conscripted into the Army at the age of 18 on 21st August 1916 but he was not called up to serve in uniform until 14th February 1917. He was posted to an infantry training battalion for conscripted soldiers, the 101st Training Reserve Battalion which was affiliated to the Middlesex Regiment. His original regimental number was 50124. The battalion underwent a change of title and became known as the 250th Infantry Battalion.
James was sent to France on the night of the 5th/6th October 1917 and arrived at No 39 Infantry Base Depot at Etaples on the 6th/7th October 1917. All recruits passed through a base depot for additional training and from where they were allotted to regiments in need of reinforcements. James was allotted to the 2/6th Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment with the new number 52073 and he joined the battalion on 15th October 1917 in the area of Manancourt, Somme. The 2/6th West Yorkshire Regiment was part of 185th Infantry Brigade in the 62nd Division.
Their next operation was part of the Cambrai Operations which began on 20th November 1917. James was killed in action on November 22nd and is commemorated on the Cambrai Memorial. He had been in France 49 days. James qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal which were later sent to his father.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Terryh
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 8:54 PM

Dear allen, Thank you so much for your quick reply and the information you have been a great help. many thanks terryh
Posted by: Jane
Location: Lincolnshire
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 2:46 PM
Hi Alan

Are you able to find out about people that served in the Royal Navy during WW1? My friend's grandfather is a bit of a mystery! His son (her father) was just four or five when he died, (around 1923/24) and they know very little about him. His name was George Walker and he was definitely a doctor / surgeon in the Royal Navy. His next of kin we imagine would be either his father Robert Walker or mother Anna Edge Walker. He was born in 1868 or thereabouts in Wymeswold, Leicestershire, so was not young when he served. He lived as a boarder (according to the 1911 census) aged 42 at The Royal Crystal Palace Hotel, Crystal Road, Angerley Road, Upper Norwood and he married Eily Eltham in 1918 in the Croydon area. Apart from that they know very little about him. I guess were we to find his WW1 records this would give some insight as to where his address was at that time.

I would be very grateful for any advice Alan

With many thanks

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 7:16 PM

Dear Jane,
It may be quite difficult to trace a service record for George Walker. He was a civilian doctor mostly in Camberwell before the war and would have been 45 at the outbreak of war. He may have served with the Royal Navy, The Royal Naval Reserve or the Royal Naval Voluntary Reserve. He may have served on a ship or at a land-based hospital. He would have held an officer's rank. Some records are available online, although he does not appear to be among them. See

There were at least three Lieutenants named George Walker who received "Their Lordship's Appreciation" in the First World War but none of them is identified further. The most prominent served on the trawler/minesweeper "Gunner" as a temporary Lieutenant RNR but, again, he is not identified further. Some RNR officers' records are held at the Fleet Air Arm Museum mentioned in the link above.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Jane
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 7:39 PM

Dear Alan

Well, despite it being difficult to determine the correct record for George Walker during WW1 you have certainly found more than us in that you mention he was a civilian doctor mostly in Camberwell before the war. If you can elaborate upon that, it would be very helpful.

As ever, many thanks for your valuable information

Best regards

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 14th November 2012 at 10:44 AM

Dear Jane,
Using the Victorian census returns it is possible to trace George back to his childhood as the son of the vicar of Wymeswold, Roger Walker, and his wife Anna Edge Walker. By 1891 at the age of 23 George was a physician and surgeon, living with his widowed mother in Camberwell. Census returns are available on family history websites (subscription required). Some larger libraries offer free access to the website.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Jane
Date: Thursday 15th November 2012 at 11:33 AM

Thank you so much, as usual Alan, for this valuable information. What it also shows me is that I'm on the right track and hopefully will be able to 'nail him' pretty soon!

Many thanks again

Posted by: Wag {Email left}
Location: Uk
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 4:27 PM
Thank you Alan, I will make a donation to TRBL.
Posted by: Joe {Email left}
Location: Co Durham
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 1:22 PM
Hi Alan
I wonder if you could help find the regiment my uncle served in during WW1.

I have a photo of him with his regiment, it measures 38" long and 8" high, and it has 146 soldiers 9 officers a vicar and 2 dogs and is marked, Killingholme Garrison March 1918.

I have checked it with a magnifying glass to see if I can recognise the cap badge and found that 45 soldiers are wearing the cap badge for the Norfolk Yeomanry which I found on an
e-bay site, it is described as. GvR with Kings Crown.
But MY uncles cap badge along with 85 other solders is a little bit different. It is the same badge but with a wreath of laurel leaves around the outside.

I have done some research and found the Norfolk Yeomanry regiment was linked to
The Kings Own Royal Regiment and Killingholme was a RAF base on the Humber in Lincolnshire.
My uncle's name was Joseph Haley and he was born 2-9-1891 and lived in County Durham.
I found on one web site that the Norfolk's did come up to Consett Co Durham to recruit soldiers at one time.
My uncle died when I was 10 but I do remember him telling me that in his regiment there was a black soldier and he is there on the photo but he is not a soldier I think he is an officer. He is sat with a walking stick, his uniform is not the quality and he is not wearing the high boots and legumes like the other officers, he has his trousers loose over his boots. But what is more noticeable he is not sitting with the other officers in the centre of the photo but at the end of the row with ordinary solders. None of the officers are wearing the 2 badgers I have just described but in other regiments and there are soldiers also in other regiments.
Hope you can help
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 1:03 PM

Dear Joe,
Unfortunately it has not been possible to identify Joseph Haley from the details you have. I would say that 146 men with different cap badges at Killingholme in March 1918 does not represent any particular regiment and may be a garrison guard company of the Labour Corps formed from men on home service and those who had been medically downgraded and were assigned to garrison duties (which would account for a walking stick). But that is only a suggestion based on the number of men in the photograph. In 1918 Killingholme, which had been a Royal Naval seaplane station, became a base for American airmen. The RAF was not created until April 1918. In March 1918, the naval air station was handed over to the American Navy and came under their command until after the war when the station was handed to the RAF in January 1919.
Kind regards,
Posted by: Lynne {Email left}
Location: Aberdeen
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 1:15 PM
Hello Alan

I have been trying to find out more about my grandfather's service record during World War One and was wondering if you can help to fill in some gaps. I did find a WW1 Medal Rolls Index Card for a Joseph Leaper, private in the Gordon Highlanders, no: s/3545 and from his medal card it appears he enlisted on 4/9/14 and was discharged on 2/3/17. I am fairly sure this is the right person as my grandfather was invalided out of the army as he lost a leg during the war. I would be interested to know if there is any way of finding out more about his time in the army and where he might have served.

He was born in Aberdeen, 27/1/1892 to Joseph and Catherine Leaper.

Any help would be apprectiated.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 1:02 PM

Dear Lynne,
No individual service record has survived for Joseph Leaper so it is not possible to suggest his military service in the First World War. Local newspapers of the time might have recorded his service when he returned home an invalid.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Lynne
Date: Tuesday 13th November 2012 at 2:15 PM

Dear Alan

Thank you for trying and your suggestion, which I will follow up on. I have sent a donation to the British Legion.

Posted by: Von {Email left}
Location: West Malling
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 1:03 AM
Alan I am wonderng if there are any service records or information on my Father George Thomas Holt who enrolled on the 15th June 1915 at the age of 20-years 130-days 179 Brigade RFA. I know he went to France and was gassed and kicked by a horse. He came back to England to a hospital. He died in August 1936 in London. Thank you.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 1:33 PM

Dear Von,
It is not possible to identify a man by his name only. Do you know his regimental number?
Kind regards,
Reply from: Von
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 5:36 PM

Dear Alan
I was two and a half when my Father died so I did not know anything about him. Obviously like we all do at times forget to ask the appropriate family questions whilst the other Parent or Siblings are alive. Somewhere along the line I have got a number WO95/2574 to do with the National Archives but I do not know what this number refers to. I am endeavouring to find some old photographs of him in his uniform and hope I might find some handwriting or whatever that might tell us! Thank you so much Alan for your prompt reply. Kind Regards Von
Posted by: Lisa
Location: Manchester
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 12:48 AM

I've been looking at my great grandfather's, James Edwin Read, Lutterworth, Leicestershire ww1 service records. I've found out he was in the Royal Field Artillery from 1915-1918 and beyond. He was in 111th battery which I believe was part of the 6th Division of The Expeditionary Force. A lot of the documents on Ancestry are poor as I believe they may have been damaged in the fire which resulted in a loss of many documents around 1940. What I can't understand is on one document he has been examined at what looks like 'Frieshiem' Germany in 1918 yet there is no mention of the 6th Division entering Germany. Why would this have been does anyone know? Many thanks.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 1:28 PM

Dear Lisa,
111th Battery RFA served with 24th Brigade RFA in the 6th Division. The 6th Division went to Germany as part of the occupation force and crossed the German border on 13 December 1918 and arrived at Bruehl on 23 December 1918.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Lisa
Date: Monday 12th November 2012 at 1:57 PM

Hi Alan

Thank you for your reply that answers my question. The place Frieshiem is where a Statement of Disability was completed for my great grandfather. Unfortunately the document doesn't seem to show what, if any, the disability was. I can see very faint writing but it obviously hasn't copied well. He lived through the war having initially lied about his age to enter, and documents seem to prove this. He was a great character and died in 1990 aged 92 but being a teenager at the time I didn't enquire about his wartime experience and only know what I have been old by relatives. Having travelled around France a Germany with my family in recent years it is interesting that I have crossed and been to areas where he was stationed/fighting. I believe he was a driver.
Many thanks for your help.


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