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Posted by: Nigel R {Email left}
Location: Old Windsor
Date: Wednesday 30th January 2013 at 7:31 PM
Hi Alan,

Have seen you have helped lots of people so hope you can help me too.

I am trying to trace the WWI military service record of my grandfather James Henry Rutter, who n the RFA. His service number was 3173 and he rceived the 1914-15 Star, British War Medal & Victory medal.

Previous research has suggested that he served with 56th Brigade RFA but I am unable to confirm this.

Hope you can shed some light for me.

Thanks.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 30th January 2013 at 10:16 PM

Dear Nigel,
I have not been able to find any surviving military record that identifies James Henry Rutter. An Army medal rolls index card for a gunner J. H. Rutter, 3173, Royal Field Artillery, provides no biographical information to positively identify him as James Henry Rutter. This man entered Egypt on 19th July 1915. From there he could have served at Gallipoli, Salonika or the Middle East or he may have moved to France and Flanders in early 1916.
He qualified for the 1914-15 Star on medal roll RFA/1A &1B page 377. That medal roll is held at the UK National Archives at Kew and may record the unit in which he was serving when he first went abroad. It is Catalogue reference WO 329/2524 "War Office and Air Ministry: Service Medal and Award Rolls, First World War. 1914-15 Star: other ranks. Royal Field Artillery other ranks: medal rolls RFA/1A; RFA 1B. Pages 337-673. 1914-15 Star". You would need to visit the Archives to see it.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Nigel R
Date: Thursday 31st January 2013 at 9:00 AM

Thanks Alan. Much appreciated.

Do you have to make an appointment to view these Docs at UK NA?
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 31st January 2013 at 11:06 AM

Dear Nigel,
You do not need an appointment but you will need to register for a reader's ticket when you arrive and you need to take proof of address and proof of name and signature. See:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/visit/

Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Nigel R
Date: Thursday 31st January 2013 at 7:50 PM

Thanks Alan.

D-10581 PTE WJ Carter 1st D.GDS

I wonder if you can shed any light on the WWI service record of my other grandfather James William Carter. Some confusion as he may have enlisted in the KDG as W J Carter (born 1897), although I have been advised that althiugh we have his medals he is not recorded on the KDG medal rolls for WWI and he may have come from another regiment pre 1915.

Medals - 1914/15 Star, Britsih War Medal, Victory Medal, General Service Medal Iraq, General Service medal Afghanistan NWF 1919.

Many thanks in advance.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 31st January 2013 at 8:51 PM

Dear Nigel,
An army medal rolls index card showed William J Carter D/10581 served in the 1st (King's) Dragoon Guards in France from 15th June 1915. His medals were all recorded on the medal rolls of the Corps of Dragoons, starting with the reference CC/.
The 1st Dragoon Guards had been in India until November 1914 when they arrived at Marseilles, therefore W J Carter was apparently part of a draft of reinforcements. He rose to the rank of sergeant and was re-numbered 390072.
As he served in Iraq in 1920 it is possible his service record is held today by the UK Ministry of Defence. Searches by the MoD cost £30. The MOD will release certain amounts of information about a deceased person depending on whether you are the direct next-of-kin, or not. You can apply for a search using the different application forms for next-of-kin, or with permission of next-of-kin, or as a general enquirer. See:

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html

Click on the link and then look for "Service records - requests for service records of deceased service personnel and home guard" in the left-hand column.
You will need proof of death (copy of death certificate); the soldier's date of birth or service number; and next-of-kin's signed permission (unless you are the direct next-of-kin), known as form Part 1. You then need a completed form Part 2 (search details), and cheque for payment. The next-of-kin form (Part 1) is for completion by the next-of-kin of deceased service personnel (or enquirers with the consent of next of kin). The Part 2 form is entitled: "Request forms for service personnel Army" A cheque for GBP 30 should be made payable to "The MOD Accounting Officer" and sent to Army Personnel Centre Secretariat, Disclosures 2, Mail Point 515, Kentigern House, 65, Brown Street, Glasgow G2 8EX Scotland with all the paperwork.
Searches take several months to complete.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Nigel R
Date: Thursday 7th February 2013 at 8:53 PM

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your help. Once I've followed up your leads, no doubt I'll be looking for your advice again.

In the meantime if OK with you I will be making a donation to BL by way of thanks.
Reply from: Nigel R
Date: Monday 18th March 2013 at 9:31 AM

Hi Alan,

With regard to James Henry Rutter, I have managed to get a copy of the index to campaign medals & rollos of his medals. Unfortunately no mention of unit.

However, in other research I have found a Walter Mclaren on the Star roll, numbered 3170 and with the same date as James. Walter died of an illness on 20 October 1915 and according to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission he was serving with 56 Brigade RFA. It has been suggested to me that as both men were from London (McLaren from Maida Vale) and 56 Brigade was raised there in September 1914, James may also have served in same Brigade. I understand that it came under command of the 10th (Irish) Division and was on its way via Egypt to Gallipoli when the brigade sailed.

Wondered if you had any opinion as to whether or not this is likely.

If it could be likely, can you tell me where I could find out more about the war record of this brigade?

Thanks.
Reply from: Aan Greveson
Date: Monday 18th March 2013 at 6:03 PM

Dear Nigel,
It is not safe to guess a man's record from someone else's details. It is possible Walter McLaren 3170 and James Rutter 3173 Royal Field Artillery arrived in Egypt together as their medal index cards show they both appear on the same medal roll with similar regimental numbers and dates. However, W C Howell, 3171 RFA, was also on the same medal roll, yet he went to France on 4th October 1915. Regimental numbers were not unique in the RFA. The number 3172 was listed twice on the same page on the same medal roll as James Rutter, with two individuals: one going to the Balkans on 18th December 1915 and the other to France on 28 November 1915. Walter McLaren and James Rutter both left England for Egypt in July 1915, although because Walter McLaren died in October 1915, the evidence for his service ceases very quickly. Making a judgement from another man's record is unsafe and provides no evidence for the service of James Rutter in 1915 or in the subsequent four years. The possible link to Walter McLaren is a starting point for further research.
There were four RFA brigades with 10th Division in July 1915 plus the Divisional Ammunition Column which was formerly with 29th Division and only joined the 10th Division at Salonika in October 1915. The 29th Ammunition Column suffered losses when the transport ship "Marquette" was torpedoed and sunk by 'U35' on 23rd October 1915, 57.5 kilometres south from Salonika Bay, off Salonika. The men were commemorated at Mikra, Salonika, because others who went down in the same vessels were washed ashore and identified, and are now buried at Salonika (Thessalonika.)

"Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) recorded Walter McLaren died at sea on 20th October 1915. The CWGC Debt of Honour states that he was serving with 56th Brigade RFA on the day he died and his name is commemorated on the Basra Memorial which is in Iraq (Mesopotamia). The Brigade served in the 10th Division and had spent August and September 1915 at Gallipoli. From 5th October 1915, 56 Brigade (LVI Brigade) RFA was at Salonika in Macedonia with 10th Division. The Brigade left 10th Division for 13th Division in January 1916 and then went to Mesopotamia in February 1916 with the 7th Meerut Division. In April 1918 LVI Brigade RFA moved to Alexandria and from there sailed to France with 52nd Division.
For James Rutter's service it would be necessary to establish primary evidence that he served with the LVI Brigade RFA and that he remained with that Brigade throughout the war. Medal index cards generally do not record the man's unit. However, the actual medal roll for the 1914-15 Star might record the unit he was with when he sailed from England. That medal roll is held at the UK National Archives at Kew in Catalogue reference WO 329/2524 "War Office and Air Ministry: Service Medal and Award Rolls, First World War. 1914-15 Star: other ranks. Royal Field Artillery other ranks: medal rolls RFA/1A; RFA 1B. Pages 337-673. 1914-15 Star". You would need to visit the Archives to see it.
The war diaries of the 56th Brigade (LVI Brigade) RFA are held in five parts at the National Archives.
It is unclear why Walter McLaren is commemorated in Iraq when, at the time of his death, the 56th Brigade was in Macedonia, a thousand miles from Basra. The Basra Memorial was not completed until 1929 and commemorates those with no known grave in Mesopotamia. As 56th Brigade RFA had spent two years in Mesopotamia, albeit after Walter McLaren had died, it did have a panel provided on the memorial.
Without an individual service record it is not possible to provide evidence for James Rutter or to demonstrate he remained with the same brigade throughout the war.
Kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Wendy {Email left}
Location: Ottawa Canada
Date: Monday 28th January 2013 at 9:38 PM
Dear Alan,
I just found your site and have been reading the interesting and detailed information you have found for others. Below, you will see a potted history for my great uncle, Sam Cromie, and I would appreciate any insights you can offer about Sam's military career. I know that university-educated men were promoted from the ranks but I would love to know how common or uncommon it was to enlist in the ranks in the Canadian forces and end up as an officer in the Coldstream Guards, not only going from enlisted man to officer in an elite regiment, but also from Canadian to British forces. Thank you for sharing your knowledge in this way.

Samuel Osborne Cromie
15 March 1891: b. Quebec Canada
1909-1911: attended University of Manitoba
12 March 1915: enlisted in 47th Battalion CEF Reg. No. 428583
7 June 1915: promoted to Lance Corporal
27 June 1915: sailed to England
29 July 1915: applied for appointment to a commission in 2/23 The London Regiment
4 Sept 1915: transferred to 7th Battalion CEF & joined his unit in France
17 Nov 1915: took part in the first trench raid by Canadian Corps, at La Petite Douve Farm, Belgium
11 Dec 1915: appointed Second Lieutenant in 3/23 The London Regiment
18 Feb 1916: applied for appointment to Special Reserve, Coldstream Guards
8 April 1916: transferred to Coldstream Guards
25 Sept 1916: wounded at Les Boeufs, Somme
16 November 1916: wounded at Les Boeufs, Somme
17 November 1916: died of wounds
Reply from: Alan Grevesopn
Date: Tuesday 29th January 2013 at 12:45 PM

Dear Wendy,
Sam Cromie was a volunteer and not an "enlisted man" in the sense that an enlisted man was compulsorily serving in the ranks. Sam was a university graduate who joined the army voluntarily and in due course applied for a commission. It was not unusual for men from Commonwealth countries to serve in British regiments and it is probable that he attended an Officer Cadet School in England before joining the 3/23rd London Regiment which was a training and reserve battalion at Winchester. There was a continual need for junior officers as the platoon officers were the more likely to become casualties. His service record is held at the UK National Archives at Kew, Surrey as Piece reference WO 339/54963 2/Lieutenant Samuel Osborne CROMIE Coldstream Guards. You would need to apply to the archives to purchase a copy. Click on "ordering and viewing options" at:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=1637219&CATLN=6&Highlight=%2CCROMIE&accessmethod=0

The war diary of the 7th Canadian Infantry Battalion is available online from the Library and Archive Canada. See:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/military-peace/index-e.html

At the time of his death he was serving with the 2nd Battalion Coldstream Guards. The war diary of the 2nd Battalion can be downloaded free from
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C4554366

It is contained in a document that is titled Grenadier Guards. The war diary entry for November 16th 1916 states: "Lieut S O Cromie wounded (since died of wounds)".
The Coldstream Guards keep their own records. They will conduct a search for a fee of £33. For instructions and an application form, see:
http://rhqcoldmgds.co.uk/shop/page/3?shop_param=

Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Wendy
Date: Tuesday 29th January 2013 at 2:15 PM

Alan, thank you for your quick and comprehensive reply and for correcting my terminology from enlisted man to volunteer. In about 2000, I got Sam's file from Library and Archives Canada, and I had a researcher look at Sam's file at Kew and send me copies of key documents. All that was before so much was available on the Internet.

I really appreciate your information that it was not unusual for Commonwealth men to serve in British forces, and that it wasn't uncommon for them to apply for a commission. Thank you very much for the bonus information that both war diaries are available on-line. I will be heading there right away.
Regards, and again many thanks,
Wendy
Posted by: Annie {Email left}
Location: Glasgow
Date: Monday 28th January 2013 at 5:14 PM
Dear Allan

You've been very helpful in the past with military information, so I thought I'd ask for your help again.

I'm trying to identify someone in a wedding photograph. It may be my grandmother's brother. He was in the Royal Engineers and is in uniform in the photo. Do you know of a forum where the uniform/photo could be identified?

Thank you
Regards
Annie
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 28th January 2013 at 6:51 PM

Dear Annie,
If it was from the First World War or thereabouts try
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php

If from the Second World War, try
http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/

Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Annie
Date: Monday 28th January 2013 at 9:07 PM

Thanks for your help. Much appreciated. I've joined the First World War Forum as you suggest, but it must take a while before they allow a new post, so I'll try again tomorrow and see if anyone can recognise the uniform from the photograph.

Having looked at the soldier in question (my Granny's brother), I've found his pension records on Ancestry plus 2 medal cards. I'm not good at understanding some of the Army jargon, so I wonder if I give some information you might be able to fill in some of the missing elements, namely some medals he was awarded have been mentioned, such as Meritorious Service Medal (Home) vide London Gazette 9/6 106/1918 or 15?. Also he was brought to the notice of the Sec of State for War for valuable services rendered in connection with the War, Vide War Office Communique of 27/3/19. Awarded a medal for China 1900-1901. Long Service and Good Conduct with gratuity. But I'm wondering if there are other campaign/general medals he would have been awarded?

John G (Gregor) McGregor No3563 Enrolled 22.8.99 Royal Engineers at Aberdeen having previously been in the 3rd Batallion V Seaforth Highlanders. R E 5th Batallion 25/5/00

He served
Home 22/8/1899 to 10/8/1900
S. China 22/8/1900 to 1/6/1901
India 2/6/01 - 23/11/05
Home 24/11/05 - 3/10/11 He was in Ireland on the 1911 Census
Ceylon 4/10/11 to 1/6/15
England 2/6/ 1915 - 21/8/1920

On the first card I found it says:-
McGregor John G RE Roll RE /101A Page 16 Rank WO CL II

On the second card:-
Awarded The Meritorious Service Medal Home
MFW QMS
Corps E E
Reg No 3563
Date of Gazette 60?
Registered Paper 1037 or 4 D or ) 5350

I'd appreciate any comment/ observation you can make which would help me understand the person and what sort of Army career he had. He finished on 21/8/20 at Chatham after 21 years service with the 'colours' (don't know what that means)/

Kind Regards
Annie
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 29th January 2013 at 12:44 PM

Dear Annie,
"Service with the colours" was full-time service in the Army. So, John McGregor served 21 years continuously in uniform from 1899. Twenty-one years was the standard period of full-time service to qualify for the full Army pension. He served in the Corps of Royal Engineers and rose to the rank of Warrant Officer Class II ("Warrant Officer Class Two", or "W.O. Two") which was the equivalent of Company Sergeant Major. In normal circumstances, and with the exception of Warrant Officer Class I (of which there were comparatively few) WO II is the highest rank to which a private soldier could rise in his career, so it was something of an achievement to go from recruit to WO II. This was reflected in the fact he was awarded the Meritorious Service Medal as well as the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal. The gratuity that came with the LS&GC medal was a bonus added to his pay.
His service record does not state in which company he served, although he appears to have been in the Royal Engineers Signals Service (telegraphs) formed in 1908, shown as ESS and SS on his record. He served in China (Boxer Rebellion), India and Ceylon as well as at Home (UK). There is no record of where he served in England after returning from Ceylon in 1915.
Unfortunately his service history does not record where he served so it is not possible to describe his service, other than the countries in which he served.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Annie
Date: Tuesday 29th January 2013 at 5:06 PM

Dear Allan

Thanks for taking the time to explain some of the terminology I encountered in Jock's pension and record cards. It has helped greatly in my understanding of the man and his hard work and achievment in reaching the highest rank possible. WOII and other shorthand mean nothing to me, so I'd never have been aware what his rank meant, nor that he was in the Royal Engineers Signals Service, nor in the Boxer Rebellion.

I'm very grateful for your help.

Kind regards
Annie
Posted by: June {Email left}
Location: West Molesey
Date: Monday 28th January 2013 at 3:19 PM
You have helped me in the past finding out information on John WilliamTaylor,Rank: Gunner Regiment: Royal Field Artillery
Regiment Number: 94101. Date Of Enlistment: 28th August 1914 Date Of Discharge:3rd April 1919,
Date Of Birth: 25 November 1894 Died 30 August 1920. How can I now find out whether his wife Agnes (nee Allington) they were married 15th January 1918 received a pension?

June
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 28th January 2013 at 6:49 PM

Dear June,

You would be fortunate to discover if Agnes Taylor received a widow's pension, because so few widows' pension applications have survived. But there is some potentially good news.
Despite the ancient decree of monarchs that disabled soldiers should receive a pension there was no automatic pension for the citizen soldier who fought in the First World War and who was not in the regular Army. After the defeat of the Spanish Armada, Queen Elizabeth I (1553 1603) said that from 25th May 1588: "such as have adventured their lives and lost their limbs, or disabled their bodies in defence of Her Majesty and the State, should be relieved and rewarded that they may reap the fruit of their good deserving".
In the First World War some men received a lump-sum payment as a war gratuity if they had claimed against the Army, providing a medical examination board had stated their disablement was 'due to, or aggravated by, military service'. Each man had to sign a statement as to his disability and whether he made a claim against the Army or not.
When he was discharged in 1919, John William Taylor had signed a "statement as to disability" which stated he did not claim to be suffering a disability as a result of war service. Therefore he had no claim against the Army. Most soldiers realized the form allowed the Army to avoid responsibility but unless they had an obvious claim, many were so pleased to be discharged they signed the form stating they made no claim, even if they had been wounded. John Taylor was discharged from the Army on 3rd April 1919 and died a year later. Some widows were successful in making a claim if they could prove their husband's death was directly attributable to war service. Sympathetic registrars might attribute the death to wartime service on the man's death certificate. Widows lost their pension rights if they re-married although a gratuity was paid on re-marriage. Between 1914 and 1921 there was a seven-year rule which prevented a widow making a claim after seven years had elapsed from the date of the husband's injury or, in the case of disease, seven years after the man's discharge from the Army. The attitude of the Ministry of Pensions was such that one senior official, called Mr Hore, wrote: "it is proposed to saddle the state with the liability of a full pension to the widow" (quoted in "Discourses Surrounding British Widows of the First World War" by Angela Smith, Nov 2012).
In 1916 a parliamentary select committee discussed the mounting costs of war pensions and in 1917 a new Ministry of Pensions took control of the awards from the Chelsea Hospital, Admiralty and the Army Council. They changed the criteria from an assessment of "a man's ability to earn a living wage" to a scale of damages based on percentages. The loss of two limbs entitled a man to a 100 per cent pension; whereas heart or lung problems may have qualified for a 20 per cent award. The war widows' pension scheme was implemented in 1916, and was the first pension in Britain specifically for women but, officially, no widow had a right to a pension. The Act of 1916 stated a widow's pension "shall not be claimed as a right, but shall be given as a reward of service, and no pension shall be granted or continued to a widow or dependant who, in the opinion of the Minister of Pensions, is unworthy of the public bounty, and it shall be in the power of the Minister of Pensions to terminate or suspend any pension that may have been granted to such persons or to provide for its administration under such conditions as he may determine, and his decision in any case shall be final." ("London Gazette", 6th April 1917).
In 1921 the Central Advisory Committee on War Pensions was created, made up of departmental officials, ex-servicemen and representatives of ex-service organisations. Local committees undertook the administration of grants and the care of widows and children as well as monitoring the administration of the War Disablement Pension Scheme.
The records of widows' claims were kept by the Ministry of Pensions between 1917 and 1944 and were eventually passed to the Department of Health and Social Security who destroyed all but an eight per-cent sample of claims made up to 1932. That sample is held at the UK National Archives at Kew in series PIN 82. You would need to visit Kew to search the files.

However, there are some one million widows' pension record cards that have survived and are now being conserved by the Western Front Association along with millions of other record cards. The WFA will eventually make them available online and before that they hope to offer a manual search service in due course. See:
http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/great-war-current-news/pension-records.html

Kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Shirley {Email left}
Location: Orangeburg
Date: Monday 28th January 2013 at 12:05 AM
My Grandfather, Benjamin Franklin Graves served in WWI. This is what is inscribed on his grave marker,

PVT 28 BTRY OARD
World War I

Can anyone tell me what those letters mean?

My mother has dementia and cannot remember what they stand for. Thank you for any help you can give me.

Shirley
Posted by: Geoff {Email left}
Location: Maidenhead
Date: Sunday 27th January 2013 at 7:42 PM
Hi Alan,
I have another request which I hope you can help with.
There is not a lot of information I can give you, so I will not be disappointed if you cannot find anything for me.
If you can, I would like information about my grandfather.
Frank Horton, born, we think, 1891 in Walsall. He lived in Liverpool from at least 1915 to 1939, (he was at 23, Harbord Street until 1923 at least). He left the army on two occasions, we believe through illness or injury. On at least one of these occasions he was in the Royal Army Medical Corps.
He moved to Slough, Berks in 1939 and married. He did not take part in the Second World War, but did work for Hestons as a foreman in an aircraft factory in Buckingham Avenue on the Slough Trading Estate,(1939 for a few years at least). I know that the main Heston Works was in Langley, but he definately worked at the Slough Trading Estate factory. I would be very grateful if you can find anything about Frank`s war record or even anything about the Slough factory he worked in.
He died in 1949 in hospital.
Any information would be fantastic.
Best regards, Geoff.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 27th January 2013 at 10:59 PM

Dear Geoff,
There is no surviving military record that positively identifies Frank Horton. There was a birth registered at Walsall in 1891 as Horton Frank, Walsall Staffordshire, 1891: Oct-Nov-Dec Vol 6B Page 707. This appears to have been the son of William and Mary Horton who lived at 9, Spout Lane, Walsall in 1911. Frank was recorded in the 1911 census as being aged 20, employed as "brazing" which would have been a brazier in the brass industry.
There was an Army medal rolls index card for a Frank Horton who served in the Royal Army Medical Corps as a private, 62991, who qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not serve abroad until some occasion after January 1st 1916. This Frank Horton also qualified for the Silver War Badge for wounds or sickness. His SWB record showed he enlisted on 18th August 1915 (he was therefore a volunteer) and was discharged through "sickness" on 2nd July 1919, aged 27 years and ten months (1891). He had served overseas.
Unfortunately, there are no records that provide biographical information to make a positive identification or to indicate where he served.
As you'll appreciate from the name of the forum, I do not research the Second World War.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Geoff
Date: Sunday 27th January 2013 at 11:44 PM

Hi Alan,
Thank you for trying and providing me with snippets of information.
Much appreciated.
Best regards, Geoff.
Posted by: Trev
Location: Nottingham
Date: Saturday 26th January 2013 at 7:56 PM
Hi Alan,
I am trying to find more information on my great uncle who died in ww1.
his name was Frederick Beniston he served in the 7th batalion Yorkshire regiment and was born in Middlesbrough in 1885

Be glad of any help you can give me.

Regards
Trev
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 26th January 2013 at 10:28 PM

Dear Trev,
No individual service record has survived for Frederick Beniston so it is not possible to suggest his wartime service. An Army medal rolls index card recorded he qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal as private 26709 in the Yorkshire Regiment. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not serve overseas until some date after January 1st 1916.
On the day he was killed in action he was serving with the 7th Battalion Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment). The 7th Battalion had been in France since July 1915, therefore Frederick would have been posted to the battalion as part of a draft of reinforcements sometime in 1916. He may have been conscripted in the UK early 1916 when compulsory conscription was introduced. He was killed on 18th October 1916 and was buried at Hebuterne Military Cemetery, Pas de Calais, France.
The 7th Battalion served in 50th Infantry Brigade with the 17th Division. The Division fought at The Battle of the Selle October 17 - October 26, 1918. Frederick's medals were sent to his sister Mrs F. Dawkins, of Oak Street, Middlesbrough in 1923 after being returned to the medal office. He had another sister, Paulina Hunter, who also lived at Oak Street.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Trev
Date: Wednesday 30th January 2013 at 10:35 AM

Hi Allen
Very grateful for the information on my great uncle.Also the name of his two sisters.
Many thanks
regards
Trev
Posted by: John Nicholls {Email left}
Location: Harlow Essex
Date: Friday 25th January 2013 at 3:50 PM
Hi Alan
Can you look up this one for me please : Herbert William Nicholls Born 1898 Highbury,London.
the only thing i can work out is his Regiment was E KMR ? And his No was 2653 what i
can make out is he joined around 1915,hope this makes sense to you.
Many thanks
Jonboy
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 25th January 2013 at 5:54 PM

Dear Jonboy,
Herbert William Nicholls joined the 1st Royal East Kent Mounted Rifles at Canterbury on 17th May 1915. He lived at 21 Legard Road, Highbury. His date of birth was 13th October 1898, so when he enlisted he was under age and would have been aged 16.
He was transferred to the 6th Battalion the Buffs (East Kent Regiment) and went to France on 14th December 1916. On 28 February 1917 the Battalion returned him to 38 Infantry Base Depot aged 18 and a half. The minimum age for fighting at the front was supposed to be 19. He was returned to the UK as under age on 3 March 1917. In the UK on 23rd March 1917, he was transferred on paper to 31087 the 2nd/9th Battalion King's Own Scottish Borderers which was a reserve battalion based at Kinghorn on the Firth of Forth. The same date he was posted to the 2nd/5th Battalion KOSB at Ballykinler in Ireland. The Battalion moved to the Currgah in July 1917 and in October 1917 Herbert was granted sixpence a day extra for proficiency pay. He was sent to France on 7th December 1917 and on December 12th 1917 he joined the 1st Battalion KOSB in the field.
During the Battle of the Lys, on 11th April 1918 he was reported missing. He turned up again on the 15th April. He may have been involved in the confusion of the German Spring Offensive. On May 1st 1918 he was able to send his mother a pre-printed Field Service Postcard which (delete as appropriate) stated he was "quite well" and a "letter follows first opportunity". On 12th July 1918 he was appointed lance-corporal. After the Battle of the Lyse, the KOSB fought at Action of Outtersteene Ridge; The capture of Ploegsteert and Hill 63 during the Advance in Flanders; and The Battle of Ypres 1918 and The Battle of Courtrai after which Herbert was granted two weeks' leave to the UK on 29th October 1918 which meant that he was travelling back to France when the Armistice was announced on the 11th November. He re-joined the battalion on November 12th 1918 at Celles in Belgium. He was promoted to acting Corporal. In December the Battalion then moved to Germany as part of the Army of Occupation where he remained until March 1919. He was discharged April 1919.
He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jonboy
Date: Saturday 26th January 2013 at 12:18 PM

Hi Alan
Many thanks for that.
Kind Regards
Jonboy
Posted by: Bernie Dalton {Email left}
Location: Adelaide Aus
Date: Friday 25th January 2013 at 2:00 AM
Hi Alan, am looking for information on Albert Cadwallader 1/6 Bat Warwickshire Regiment .Kia 1/7/1916 any news would help. regards Bernie D.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 25th January 2013 at 5:53 PM

Dear Bernie,
No individual service record has survived for Albert Cadwallader so it is not possible to state his wartime service. An Army medal rolls index card recorded he went to France on 25th June 1915 as a private in the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. The 1st/6th Battalion RWarR went to France on 23rd March 1915. Albert therefore may have gone to France as part of a draft of reinforcements. The 6th Battalion RWarR was a pre-war part-time Territorial Force battalion based at Thorp Street, Birmingham. Albert had a four-digit regimental number, 3664, typical of, but not exclusive to, the Territorial Force. It is therefore possible he enlisted into the 2nd/6th Battalion RWarR which was raised in October 1914 as the training and reserve battalion intended to supply the 1st/6th Battalion.
The 1st/6th Battalion served in France and Flanders from March 1915 and was engaged in the daily routine of training and trench warfare. Their first major engagement was The Battle of Albert on July 1st 1916 in which the Warwickshire suffered heavy casualties assaulting the Quadrilateral (Heidenkopf); the date Albert died. He has no marked grave.
Albert Cadwallader is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial to the Missing of the Somme.
He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British war Medal and the Victory Medal.
Kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Lynne Berry {Email left}
Location: Hartlepool
Date: Wednesday 23rd January 2013 at 11:27 PM
Hi Alan,
please could you help me find any additional info on Private Robert Herring, 17434 2nd/5th Batt, West Yorkshire Reg (Prince of Wales Own) attd 185th T.M Bty 2. Killed in Flanders on 24th May 1918. Buried - Gommecourt British Cemetery No 2 Hebuterne. I have found a small article, which was in a local newspaper of the time, stating he was four times wounded. I would be most grateful if you were able to help.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 24th January 2013 at 4:57 PM

Dear Lynne,
No individual service record has survived for Robert Herring 17434 Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment) so it is not possible to establish his wartime service.
His regimental number was a five-digit number of the type allotted to wartime-only servicemen. When he was killed he was serving with the 2/5th Battalion PWO West Yorkshire Regiment which was a Territorial battalion in which the men had four or six-digit numbers.
An Army medal rolls index card recorded he entered a theatre of war (2B Balkans) on 11th July 1915 with the PWO West Yorkshire Regiment. The only battalion of the regiment to enter a theatre of war about that date was the 9th Battalion which had sailed with the 11th Division from Liverpool on 3rd July and arrived at Mudros on July 10th 1915. The Battalion landed at Suvla Bay on 6th August 1915 and remained at Gallipoli until withdrawn in December and moved to Egypt on 7th February 1916. It then moved to France in March 1916.
Robert Herring married Leah Berry at Hartlepool in the UK in the first quarter of 1917. He was killed on May 24th 1918.
It is not possible to say where he served or when he was wounded between the date he arrived at Mudros in 1915 and the date he was killed in 1918.
When he was killed he was serving with the 2nd/5th Battalion PWO which had been sent to France in January 1917. The Battalion served with the 185th Brigade in the 62nd Division and within that brigade was the 185th Trench Mortar Battery, so he was probably attached to them at the time he was killed. He was buried at Hebuterne which is in the Pas de Calais, France.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Lynne Berry
Date: Thursday 24th January 2013 at 7:31 PM

Dear Alan,
my thanks once again for the information you have provided. Considering no service record has survived, the detailed information you have given is amazing. It helps again to piece together my husbands ancestors and people connected to them. Many, many thanks Lynne.
I am awaiting contact from our local British Legion so I can make the donation promised, as their last meeting was cancelled due to the appauling weather.

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