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Posted by: Ray {No contact email}
Location: Cambridge
Date: Tuesday 26th November 2013 at 3:19 PM
Hello Alan
I am looking for any information regarding private 81306 Arthur Firth who died in W.W.1
I beleive he was in the Machine Gun Corps,I would be thankful for any help you are able
to give me
Yours sincerely Ray
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 26th November 2013 at 8:22 PM

Dear Ray,
There is no surviving service record for Arthur Firth so it is not possible to state his wartime service. An Army medal rolls index card recorded he originally enlisted in the Army Ordnance Corps as private 012226. He later transferred to the Machine Gun Corps as private 81306 and "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) recorded he died of wounds on 7th September 1918. He was buried at St Sever Cemetery Extension in Rouen which served the numerous military hospitals in the town. The CWGC Debt of Honour recorded that when he died Arthur had been serving with the 18th Battalion MGC. The 18th Battalion MGC had been formed in 18th Division in Spring 1918 from the 53rd, 54th and 55th Machine Gun Companies which had joined 18th Division on February 13th 1916. See:
http://www.1914-1918.net/18div.htm
The only major battle fought by the battalion between the formation of No 18 Battalion and Arthur's death was the Second Battle of Bapaume between 21 August and 3 September 1918 but it is not certain when he was wounded.
Arthur qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not serve abroad until some date after January 1st 1916.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Ray
Date: Wednesday 27th November 2013 at 5:17 PM

Hello Alan
thank you for the information you found for me regarding Arthur Firth
it is very much appreciated
yours sincerley Ray

Posted by: Margaret {Email left}
Location: Burnley
Date: Tuesday 26th November 2013 at 3:10 PM
Hello Alan, I am hoping to help my friend whose grandfather was in WW1, in the coldstream guards. His name was John Waddington and my friend has a Military Medal and an oak leaf. We would be most grateful if there is any further details you may be able to give us about his career.

Thank you, Margaret
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 26th November 2013 at 8:22 PM

Dear Margaret,
Individual service records of guardsmen who served in the Coldstream Guards are only available from the Regimental Archivist for a fee of £33. See:
http://rhqcoldmgds.co.uk/shop/page/3?shop_param=
Other records show Guardsman John Waddington, 7625, enlisted on 20th January 1908 and was discharged wounded with a gun-shot wound to his right leg on 17th July 1916. He was aged 26 years and eleven months. He had been Mentioned in Despatches by Field Marshall French in his despatch of 20 May 1915 ("London Gazette" 22 June 1915 page 5990). The oak leaf emblem worn on the ribband of the Victory Medal signified the Mention in Despatches. His award of the Military Medal was promulgated in the "Gazette" on 27th October 1916. Citations for the medal were rarely published and the original was given to the soldier with the medal.
John Waddington was born at Laneshaw Bridge in Lancashire and served with the 3rd Battalion Coldstream Guards. The 3rd Battalion fought in France and Flanders with the 2nd Division from 12th August 1914 with major engagements fought at The Battle of Mons and the retreat; Le Grand Fayt and the Rearguard actions of Villers-Cotterets; The Battle of the Marne; The Battle of the Aisne including the Actions on the Aisne heights; The First Battle of Ypres and the Winter Operations of 1914-15. The Battalion then fought with the Guards Division formed in France in August 1915 and took part in major engagements at Loos in September 1915; and then The Battle of Flers-Courcelette; and The Battle of Morval, on the Somme in 1916. It is not clear when John was wounded.
Suggested reading: "The Distant Drum. A Memoir of a Guardsman in the Grerat War", F.E. Noakes, © 1952, Pen and Sword Books, 2010, ISBN 978 1 84832 563 0, Hardback £19.99. Guardsman Fen Noakes served in the 3rd Battalion Coldstream Guards, albeit later than John Waddington.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Margaret
Date: Tuesday 26th November 2013 at 8:39 PM

Dear Alan, thank you so much for your generous help with our search into John Waddington's career. We can now go forward with further research, thanks to your information, this will mean a so much to my friend and the Waddington family, who did not know where to begin.

Kind Regards,
Margaret
Posted by: Charlotte {Email left}
Location: Belfast
Date: Monday 25th November 2013 at 3:21 PM
NAME: Thomas Joseph Wright
BIRTH: 06 March 1893 Belfast
RESIDENCE: Most probably Little May Street or Arizona Street at the time of enlistment
PARENTS: Selina and Thomas Bernard Wright
OCCUPATION: Linenlapper
RELIGION: Catholic

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated as I have had little luck finding information on him (my granda) on two pay sites. I do have a short family history penned by his son which states he served in the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, but he had three other brothers who served at the same time and my uncle was elderly when he penned the history.

I do know that he was nerved-gassed and suffered permanent total-body hair loss, so I would think he would at least have a record for his medical followup.

Thanks very much for what you do,
cjm
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 25th November 2013 at 7:37 PM

Dear Charlotte,
Unfortunately it is not possible to positively identify Thomas Wright from the information you have as it would be necessary to know his regimental number and regiment. As no individual service record appears to have survived for him it is not possible to state his wartime service. There was one silver War Badge roll entry for a Thomas J. Wright in the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers who was a sergeant, 18430, who was discharged through sickness on 25th March 1918. He was aged 25 and had enlisted on 2nd January 1915. However, the entry does not have any biographical detail so it is not possible to be certain who this Thomas wright was. There is no record of which battalion of the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers he served in, so again it is not possible to establish his war service. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not go abroad until some date after January 1st 1916.
Medical records have generally not survived. Nerve gas was not discovered until December 1936. The pulmonary agents used in the First World War were chlorine and phosgene in addition to the blister agent, mustard gas.
With kind regards,
Alan

Posted by: Ian Nl {Email left}
Location: The Netherlands
Date: Sunday 24th November 2013 at 1:55 PM
Dear Alan,
I am turning to you for a second time, now in connection with my uncle, Private Albert Edward Naylor (41493), who lived in the West Midlands and served in the First Battalion, Kings Own Royal Lancaster Regiment.
I have been unable to trace information regarding his service record. He died at the age of 18 on 8th August 1918. According to an extract from the War Diary, the battalion suffered casualties from machine gun fire on that day, around the Bois de Pacault in Northern France. Albert Naylor was probably one of them.
It is known that his remains were reinterred in 1922 in Vieille Chapelle New Military Cemetery. A letter from the Imperial War Graves Commission to his mother mentions that he was first buried 'at a point south of Merville'. A visit to Vieille Chapelle revealed that another 18 year old soldier of the First Battalion (Private Frank Priestley, 41452) died the same day; he occupies the neighbouring grave. Unfortunately, also his service records appear to be missing.
I am trying to reconstruct the story of Albert Naylor and I would appreciate any information you are able to provide to clarify two points, or advice on where I should look for more information.
It is not clear to me when and where he enlisted. As he was 18 years old when fatally wounded, I assume that he had been in France for only a few months at most. I have no information on the battles in which he may have fought.
I do not understand why a young Black Country man should have joined a Northern regiment. As far as I know, he had no previous connection with Lancaster. Was there a sort of clearing house which directed recruits to regiments with the greatest need?

With kind regards,
Ian
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 24th November 2013 at 6:31 PM

Dear Ian,
The evidence points towards Albert Naylor being a conscripted soldier, compulsorily enlisted at the age of 18. Soldiers who were conscripted had no choice in which regiment they served and were posted to serve "in the interests of the service".
"Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) recorded the 1st Battalion King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) lost three soldiers killed on 8th August 1918. They were Albert Naylor, 41493, Frank Priestley, 41452, from Nottingham and George Arthur Lyon, 41436, also from Nottingham. The General Register Office index of births records there were births registered for each of the three men in 1899. Albert and Frank were registered in Oct-Dec 1899 and George in April-June 1899. George would have been 19 when he was killed and the CWGC Debt of Honour does, as expected, state he was 19. Albert and Frank were aged 18, but would have had their 19th birthdays before the end of the year. The similar regimental numbers and their ages point towards conscription.
In anticipation of compulsory conscription, a National Registration was held on August 15th 1915 in which all males aged between 15 and 65 had to register, with those under military service age of 18 having to state the date of their 18th birthday. From that point the authorities were able to check a man's stated age against his date of birth, so under-age enlistment was much reduced. In Albert's case his 18th birthday would have been in the last quarter of 1917. It was usual practice to call a recruit forward for a medical examination one month after the 18th birthday and if the recruit was passed fit for service he would be attested and enlisted either immediately, or within the coming months by being given two weeks' written notice. Initially, conscripts joined one of the Training Reserve battalions, and in the case of the Royal Lancasters this was the 76th Training Reserve Battalion which trained at Prees Heath camp, near Whitchurch, Shropshire.
The length of training varied from as little as three months. Recruits were then allotted to the Expeditionary Force and sent to a base camp on the French coast (generally at Etaples). After a week or two in the base camp where they received additional training, they were allotted as part of a draft of reinforcements to a battalion. Officially, a recruit could not be sent abroad until he was aged eighteen-and-a-half and he could not serve at the Front until he was aged 19. However, once trained, the army thought it wasteful to keep-back men who were needed at the Front and the age limits were often set aside in defiance of the Government who wanted men held back in England. In the Spring of 1918 there was a man-power shortage as the British Government refused to provide additional men and consequently the Army had to be re-organised with three battalions to an Infantry Brigade instead of four. See:
http://www.1914-1918.net/manpower.htm
It was under these conditions that the BEF had to oppose the German Spring Offensive in March 1918 which led to heavy British losses with many men being taken prisoners. After that, British units were in need of a substantial number of battle casualty replacements in order to maintain their fighting strength.
As a result, the last months of the war saw much younger men fighting far more frequently and with greater movement than in the previous four years. It can be said it was the boys who were born in 1899 that won the war.
It is not possible to suggest in which battles Albert had taken part. The 1st Battalion served with 4th Division which had fought at The First Battle of Arras on March 28th 1918 during the German Spring Offensive. From 12th to 15th April 1918 it fought at the Battle of Hazebrouck, at Hinges Ridge. The Battle of Bethune was fought on April 18th 1918, so he could have been in a draft required after any of those battles. The battalion's war diary would note when drafts arrived. The Division's next major engagement was the Advance in Flanders which began on August 18th 1918.
Kind regards,
Alan

Further reading: "They Did Not Grow Old - Teenage Conscripts on the Western Front 1918" by Tim Lynch, Spellmount, 2013, ISBN 978 0 7524 8916 2, (price GBP 12.99).
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 24th November 2013 at 10:01 PM

Dear Ian,
The 76th Training Reserve Battalion was formed from the 12th Battalion King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment so it is possible the regimental museum may have some records of their wartime period in the UK. Museums do not have individual service records. See:
http://www.kingsownmuseum.plus.com/
Incidentally, I find the usual Dutch use of "With kind regards" more correct than than "Kind regards", so I shall adopt that for future use. Thank you.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Ian Nl
Date: Tuesday 26th November 2013 at 8:54 AM

Dear Alan,
Many thanks for your very informative reply. As a token of my appreciation I am sending a donation to your preferred charity, the Royal British Legion.
With kind regards,
Ian
Posted by: Robert Snowden {Email left}
Location: Mississauga Ontario Canada
Date: Thursday 21st November 2013 at 2:58 AM
Hi Alan,
A couple of years ago you were very helpful with giving me some help with my Grandfather Joseph King's WW1 war service. His service # is 9459 and he was a Rifleman with the 2nd Royal Irish Rifles. He was captured in March 24, 1918 during the German Operation Micheal offensive. Since then I have found a second cousin who send me a copy of a postcard his father got after he was captured. On it there are a few notifications and I wonder if you would have any idea what they mean. It notes he is a POW and below that is a "B476" then a "B477" and to the right of that "1/2 col ET" and under that a "T". So if you have any idea of what these mean I'd be most grateful .
Regards,
Robert
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 21st November 2013 at 7:21 PM

Dear Robert,
Unfortunately, I cannot help you with that.
Kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Lesley {Email left}
Location: Australia
Date: Wednesday 20th November 2013 at 2:52 AM
Dear Alan,
Thank you for your help in the past. Now I have found another soldier in the family, namely George Beaumont, Sergeant Major in the Royal Horse Artillery 1785-1828.
George was said to be at Waterloo, & Ireland earlier in his career, he appears to have retired in 1823 when he left Yorkshire to sail on the Jupiter to Van Deimans Land with his wife Elizabeth Yeoman - they had married in Sculcoates, 7 May 1810.

Hobart Town Gazette and Van Diemen's Land Advertiser (Tas. : 1821 - 1825) Saturday 8 November 1823
Ship News P2.
On Thursday last arrived from England, touching at the Cape on her passage, the ship Jupiter, Captain John Park, with a number of women and families who have been sent out by Government to join their relatives in these Colonies, together with 12 females from the Guardian Society, and 15 pensioned non-commissioned officers and soldiers of the Royal Artillery, to serve as overseers in New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land. The Surgeon Superintendent by this vessel is, Dr. Walker, R. N.
George Beaumont was appointed Superintendent of Convicts in Hobart Town.

I am having difficulty finding George's army record, and was hoping you may be able to help.

Regards Lesley
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 20th November 2013 at 4:48 PM

Dear Lesley,
Service records for soldiers who served in the Royal Artillery 1791-1855 were maintained by the Ordnance Department and not the War Office. Consequently they are stored separately at the UK National Archives in catalogue series WO 69. They are not available online. You would need to know which battalion and his regimental number to identify a specific statement of service. See:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/browse/C4429438?v=h
Regimental muster books, pay lists and records from 1730 are held in WO 10, WO 11, WO 12, WO 13, WO 14, WO 16, WO 68, WO 69. The Royal Artillery muster books from 1785 onwards start in catalogue reference WO 10/197 onwards. These would show the details required to establish his statement of service. See:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/browse/C14221?cUp=false&cK=C613900&sK=C14221&v=h
(Use the black scroll bars and the "Next 30" buttons)
Other regimental records between 1737 and 1991 are in WO 379 and WO 380. These are arranged by regiment and date. The records are not necessarily complete and need to be searched manually. See the research guides at:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C14277
and
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/army-muster-1730-1898.htm
For paid research see:
http://arcre.com/

Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Lesley
Date: Thursday 21st November 2013 at 12:02 AM

Dear Alan,
Thank you very much for your efforts, I think I may have to move to London to search the Archives, it is so tantalising, knowing that they are there, but until we know his Regiment, it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Whether George actually fought at Waterloo, I don't know, but I haven't seen any reference to him anywhere. It must have been a logistical nightmare to have wives & families following the army.

The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860 - 1954) Friday 12 May 1871 P2

"Death of another Old Colonist.- Mrs. Peter Dudgeon arrived in this colony in the year 1823, in the good ship Jupiter, with her husband, Sergeant Major George Beaumont, R.H.A., who held the appointment of Superintendent of the Penitentiary. She had followed her husband to the field of Waterloo, where she arrived on the day of that great victory... "

Thank you again,

Lesley
Reply from: Wayne
Date: Sunday 24th November 2013 at 5:23 PM

Dear Lesley,

It could be that your George Beaumont was born in Woolwich in 1788 and was the son of Sgt. Collar Maker Joseph Beaumont of the Royal Horse Artillery. Here is the baptism record from the Parish Registers of St. Mary Magdalene, in Woolwich:

1788 October 8
Born 8 Sep. George, son of Joseph & Mary Beaumont.

This George was the first son of Joseph Beaumont Sgt. Collar Maker in the Royal Horse Artillery
of Woolwich, a sadler who was born in Aberford, York, as the son of John Beaumont, enlisted in Royal Horse Artillery 7 May 1788 in Hull, retired 31 Aug. 1824, and died 2 Jun. 1843, aged 74. Joseph was married to Mary Wentworth, the daughter of George Wentworth, on 13 Jul. 1788 in London. She died 5 Sep. 1823. Both Joseph, Mary, and Joseph's second wife, Catherine Wollatt, are buried in Woolwich. Joseph Beaumont's service record can be found online with the National Archives. Josepj also had a PCC will which can also be obtained from the National Archives(which does not mention his children.)

Joseph and Mary Beaumont had at least 6 other children. John, Thomas, James, and Jospeh all served in the Royal Horse Artillery, as did their sister Ann's husband, John Smith (my ancestor). Brother John Beaumont and John Smith were at Waterloo and are on the Waterloo Medal Roll. There are online service records for John Beaumont, Thomas Beaumont, James Beaumont, and John Smith with the National Archives. Thomas and James also served in Ireland.

There is no George Beaumont on the Waterloo Medal Roll. There is also no service record for him online as there is with his father and brothers.

Kind regards,
Wayne
Reply from: Lesley Morgan
Date: Tuesday 26th November 2013 at 11:40 PM

Dear Wayne,

This is wonderful news. This must be our George, the birth date fits exactly. We have a burial record:

http://eheritage.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/resources/detail753d-4.html?ID=HBFH_09628
Headstone of Sgt. Maj. George BEAUMONT
Description: Headstone of George BEAUMONT Sgt Major. Died in 1828, aged 39yrs
Source: Hobart St Davids Anglican

The Hobart Town Courier (Tas. : 1827 - 1839) Saturday 16 August 1828 P2

Died on Sunday morning last, Mr. George Beaumont of the Scotch Thistle, formerly a serjeant major in the Royal Horse Artillery, in which he had served twenty years, and in this Colony was succeeded by Mr. Gunn as Superintendent of the Prisoners' Barracks. He has left a widow and six children to bewail the loss of an affectionate husband and kind father.

I doubt if George was in the RHA long enough (c.15yrs) to earn a pension, leaving in 1823, hence no online record. Perhaps he, like his wife in the baggage train, only arrived at Waterloo as the battle was finishing, so again, not mentioned on the Waterloo Roll.

I have done quite a lot of work on the Yeoman family, Elizabeth's father, William Yeoman, was also in the RA Drivers, pensioned in 1809, record online at TNA. If you enter his name in the search box, Alan has given a great explanation of his career.

Many thanks,
Lesley
Reply from: Thomas
Date: Saturday 11th April 2015 at 8:41 AM

Was Thomas Beaumont born 1801? If he was he is possibly the brother of my ancestors.
His military record is WO 97/1213/97 and I have seen a record for James who I have thought to be a brother -
Reply from: Lesley
Date: Monday 13th April 2015 at 7:06 AM

Hi Thomas,
Wayne has provided a lot of information above ,which should narrow down your search. Its difficult to help if you don't give any information - who is the ancestor you think is related to these Beaumonts? Do you have an online tree I could look at?
Always happy to help.
Lesley
Reply from: Thomas
Date: Sunday 19th April 2015 at 7:06 PM

Thomas Beaumont 1801-1864 m Elizabeth Will 1804-1889 listed as a collar maker and rha pensioner
- Henry 1824. Mary 1826, Louisa 1827, Caroline 1833, Vincent 1834, Amelia 1838, Charles 1842

Vincent is my direct ancestor and the children born in Athelone in Ireland with siblings born in Leeds and Woolwich, all rha bases.he married a Mary Ann Courts born 1838 and a wheelwright.
He had a son Vincent b 1878 in Plumsted who I believe was an engineer building bridges and early pylons. Married daisy maud Hutchinson b 1880. Had daughter daisy maud beaumont b 1899.
Reply from: Lesley
Date: Sunday 3rd May 2015 at 6:42 AM

Sorry for the delay.
Thomas is certainly from the same family. If you are happy to provide an email address I can give you a link to my online ancestry tree.
Reply from: Thomas
Date: Wednesday 6th May 2015 at 7:45 PM

Thanks Lesley. My contact details are (Thomas.atcheson at gmail dot com) and I look forward to hearing from you. Equally, if there is any info I can help with from my line, please let me know.
Posted by: Philip Mccartney {Email left}
Location: Belfast
Date: Tuesday 19th November 2013 at 11:57 PM
Dear Sir,

I have been looking through some items belonging to my late father and found a 'death penny' bearing the name: William Robert Victor Elliott. So far I have been able to find out that he served with the Hampshire Regiment, his number was 14916, he was killed on 08/08/1916 and is buried at Essex Farm Cemetry in Flanders. I understand my Dad obtained the 'death penny' from a friend where he worked a number of years ago (James Mackie & Sons Belfast) but don't know how it came to be there.

There is no family connection.

I would be grateful if you have any further information on either the soldier or the action the Regiment was involved in at the time of his death.

Many thanks
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 20th November 2013 at 4:42 PM

Dear Philip,
No individual service record has survived for William Elliott, 14916, of The Hampshire Regiment so it is not possible to be specific about his wartime service. An Army medal rolls index card recorded he first served overseas from 15th June 1915 when he went to the Balkans to join the 2nd Battalion The Hampshire Regiment which at that time was already on Gallipoli with 88th Infantry Brigade in the 29th Division. He would have been part of a draft of reinforcements. The Division left Gallipoli on 8th January 1916 and went to Alexandria in Egypt before sailing to France in March 1916.
When he died, William Elliott was serving with the 1st Battalion The Hampshire Regiment. The posting from the 2nd to the 1st Battalion probably occurred in France, possibly after the opening of The Battles of the Somme 1916 in which both battalions fought in The Battle of Albert. On July 22nd the battalion entrained to travel North and on the 23rd the 1st Battalion arrived in the Ypres sector with 11th Infantry Brigade in the 4th Division.
On the night of August 8th1916 the Hampshires were on the Yser Canal Bank in the area of Lancashire Farm. They had been in the front line trenches for a few quiet days and after a hot day in the line they were being relieved by the 1st Battalion East Lancashire Regiment from 10.25 p.m. On August 8th the enemy had been frustrating the 11th Brigade with occasional artillery barrages and the gas alarm was sounded. The targeting by the enemy of a relief, when two battalions were in the trenches at the same time, was common practice and the relief on the night of August 8th 1916 was subjected to bombardment, killing ten of the Hampshire Regiment and five of the East Lancashire Regiment who also suffered 30 wounded; five of them by gas.
William Robert Victor Elliott was recorded in "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) as being "killed in action".
William had been born at Sherfield on Lodden in Hampshire in 1888, the son of a cattle dealer and butcher, William Elliott and his wife Betsy of "The Red House", Sherfield on Lodden. He became a labourer on the highways for Hampshire County Council and moved to Old Basing, Basingstoke, where he married Florence Powell in 1912.
William qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 20th November 2013 at 10:55 PM

To clarify paragraph 2. On July 22nd "the battalion entrained " should read "the 1st Battalion entrained".
Reply from: Philip
Date: Thursday 28th November 2013 at 11:18 PM

Alan,

Many thanks for this very detailed account of action during 1916. While I don't know how the 'penny' came to be in Northern Ireland I would be happy to return it to any living relatives of this soldier - so I plan to try to trace any survivors of the family.

Thanks again.

Philip
Posted by: Willliam Davies {Email left}
Location: Regina
Date: Tuesday 19th November 2013 at 4:29 PM
Dear Sir - Do you have access to any information on M.20294 E. H. Taylor. Wmn. 1. R.N.- I believe the wmn. stands for wireman

Thanks in advance
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 19th November 2013 at 7:34 PM

Dear William,
His service record can be purchased online from the UK National Archives (cost £3.36). See:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7054476

The introduction of ratings to be known as wiremen was established late in 1915 with Wireman, 1st Class, (Leading rate), and Wireman, 2nd Class, (Able seaman rate) with pay of three shillings a day and 2s. 6d. a day, respectively. They were electricians and some were employed as armourers.
Kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Bella {No contact email}
Location: Esher
Date: Saturday 16th November 2013 at 5:19 PM
Dear Alan,Have come to a bit of a full stop and wonder if you could help.

Clara Johnson born South Darent, Kent 1864 parents James & Jane Johnson She appears in 1891 census (unmarried) but I cannot seem to find her after that date. Maybe she married but if so, unable to trace married name.

As you perform such miracles, thought you might perform another which would be greatly appreciated. Her sister Emily would appear to still be single too (born 1866 South Darent, Kent).

Hope you are keeping well.

Kind regards.

Bella
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 16th November 2013 at 8:19 PM

Dear Bella,
In the 1911 census there was a Clara Johnson, aged 46, single, servant at The Grange, Water Street, Mere, Wiltshire, born South Darenth. (RG14; Piece: 12160; Schedule Number: 81). "Ancestry" have indexed her name as Clara Jemson in 1911 but it is Johnson on the schedule.
In 1901 there was a Clara Johnson, born 1866 Otford, Kent as a servant, single, at Peasemarsh, Gillingham, Dorsetshire. (RG13; Piece: 1967; Folio: 40; Page: 4.).
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Bella
Date: Saturday 16th November 2013 at 9:26 PM

Dear Alan,

Many, many thanks.

Bella
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 16th November 2013 at 11:04 PM

Dear Bella,
I am forgetting my manners. I am very well thank you and I hope you are keeping well and enjoying your family history research.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Bella
Date: Sunday 17th November 2013 at 11:02 AM

Dear Alan,

Yes me too. Thank you for your courtesey.

Regards.

Bella
Posted by: Vicki {Email left}
Location: London
Date: Friday 15th November 2013 at 10:30 PM
Hi Alan,
Thank you for you recent help. I'm looking for another relative, Ernest Mulliner, regiment number 60898 who served in the RFA (Royal Field Artillery?) I've found his medal roll, but I can't interpret the notes on it. If you get chance, please could you have a look and see if you can decipher what all the notes mean! I'm trying to find out where he may have enlisted and any other details about his service.
Many thanks,
Vicki
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 16th November 2013 at 6:17 PM

Dear Vicki,
The medal roll index card you have found is not a medal index card but a War Badge record card. The silver War Badge was issued to soldiers discharged during the war, to be worn on civilian clothes to indicate they had been discharged from the services through wounds or sickness. The card recorded Sergeant Ernest Mulliner had enlisted on 31 March 1910 and was discharged from 79 Brigade Royal Field Artillery on 5th February 1918 because of wounds (W). Authority for issuing the badge was Army Order 265 of 1917 paragraph 2 a (i) (which stated (i) After service overseas in the armed Forces of the Crown, on account of disablement or ill-health caused otherwise than by misconduct). The issuing of the badge was on War Badge List RA/1421. The only additional information on that list was his age which was stated as 28 and he had served overseas. Badge No. 324214 was returned by the soldier's local record office as the address was unknown. The badge was re-issued on 11 June 1918.
79 Brigade RFA had served in the 17th Division.
As he had served overseas, there would be a campaign medals record card which was probably the one in the name of Sgt Ernest Mullinerux, 60898, RFA, who went to France with 34 Brigade RFA on 16 August 1914. He qualified for the 1914 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. The
"Ancestry" website has indexed his unit as 321 Brigade which cannot be correct as that Brigade did not go overseas until 1915. On closer inspection, the card itself shows 34 Brigade.
34 Brigade served with the 2nd Division.
An Earnest (with an 'a') Mullinerux ("alias Ernest Mulliner") stated he was born in Silverdale, Newcastle, Staffordshire, when he enlisted on 31st March 1910 at Stoke on Trent, aged 21, occupation: miner. (Attestation paper available on Ancestry in that name).
It is not possible to state his wartime service as there is no obvious record of when he was posted between different artillery brigades. When he first went overseas with 34 Brigade he would have seen service with 2nd Division at The Battle of Mons and the Retreat from Mons; the Rearguard affair of Le Grand Fayt and the Rearguard actions of Villers-Cotterets; The Battle of the Marne; The Battle of the Aisne; the Actions on the Aisne heights and The First Battle of Ypres.
By the date of his discharge through wounds in February 1918, he might have been wounded possibly sometime in late 1917 when the 17th Division had been fighting at The Second Battle of Passchendaele.

In the 1911 Census an Ernest Mullineux was recorded as a 22 year old gunner, born Newcastle, Staffs, serving with 50 Brigade RFA at Bulford Camp, Wiltshire. In the 1891 Census there was an Ernest Mulliner born 1889 at Nantwich Cheshire whose apparent siblings were born at Silverdale, Staffordshire. The mother, Ann, was aged 58, which seemed rather old for her to have a two-year-old son (England Census, Silverdale, 1891, RG12; Piece: 2155; Folio: 11; Page: 15). In the 1901 Census there was a 12 year old Ernest Mulliner, born Woore, Shropshire, which is six miles from Newcastle under Lyme. He was described as the adopted son of Ann and Thomas Mulliner. Ann was 68. They lived at Stoke Road, Stoke upon Trent. (Class: RG13; Piece: 2610; Folio: 74; Page: 39.)
(In the 1891 Census there was also an Ernest Mulliner, born Woore, Shropshire, about 1887, the son of George and Ada. Woore was in the Market Drayton registration district and there does not seem to be a birth registered there for Ernest Mulliner about 1887. However, in the1901 Census there was an Ernest Mulliner, born 1887 Madeley "Staffordshire"; whereas Madeley was actually in Shropshire. There were, then, two boys with the same name living in the Newcastle under Lyme area.)
Kind regards,
Alan

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