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Posted by: Chilli {Email left}
Location: London
Date: Monday 9th June 2014 at 3:00 PM
Hi Alan,

I really hope you can help provide more information on my great-grandfather William Mair, who chose to lose contact with his young family after WW1. I have his Army Form B 199a form, which provides record of his postings and promotions, but why am I unable to find any army records for him elsewhere? And why would he have possession of the 199a form rather than the army? I would really like to know more detail as to how he was engaged in WW1, and any sources where he may have been mentioned. He was born in 1880 in Strichen, Aberdeenshire, joined the Royal Artillery (no 23200) in 1899, and his history is as follows:
Short Garrison course Malta 1903
School of Gunnery Shoeburyness and Woolwich 1904
School of musketry machine gun Hythe 1911
Commissioned from ranks Woolwich 6 Mar 15
Posted to 26 siege battery RGA Lydd 23 Mar 15 to 3 Aug 15 home 3 Aug 15 to 1 Dec 16 abroad
Posted to 4th army arty school Cpt Instructor France 1 Dec 16 to 1 Jun 17 abroad
Apptd acting Capt whilst employed as Cpt Instr. France 1 Dec 16 abroad
Posted to command 282 siege battery RGA France 1 Jun 17 to 13 Nov 17 abroad
Apptd acting Major to Command bty 1 Jun 17 abroad
Promoted Lieutenant 8 Jun 16 abroad
Posted to command 517 siege battery RGA Lupont(?) Aldershot 13 Nov 17 to 9 Mar 18 home
Posted to command 514 siege battery RGA Lydd & France 10 Mar 18 to 26 Jul 18 home 26 Jul 18 to 27 Feb 20 abroad
Promoted to Captain 24 May 18
Posted for duty with Graves Reg Commission Dover 26 Apr 20 to 10 Mar 21 home
Posted to 31 (M) Bty RGA Exeter 11 Mar 21 to 21 Jul 21 home
Posted for temporary duty to GHQ Ireland Ireland 22 Jul 21 to 26 Jan 22 home
Posted to No 1 Depot RGA Catterick 15 Feb 22 to (blank)
Posted to Hartlepool defences Hartlepool 27 Jul 22
Retired on retired pay 23 Jan 20
Suitability to recall ceased 12 Aug 29

After his return from France, he seems to have had a number of fairly short-term assignments - would he have most likely lived in army accommodation and been free to visit family on leave?

Many thanks for any information you can provide.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 9th June 2014 at 6:10 PM

Dear Chilli,
Officers' records are held at the UK National Archives at Kew. You would need to see the record to positively identify the officer was your ancestor. There is one William Mair of the Royal Garrison Artillery in the catalogue. See:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C1078071
The ancestry website has three reference cards for the two occasions of being mentioned in despatches, indexed under W. Mair in Medal rolls index cards. These refer to the entries (by name only) in the London Gazette. His actual medal index card is under the name of William Mair and records he qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. The London Gazette can be searched online if you have the patience of a saint. See "search all notices" and adjust the search dates at:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/

Officers did not have regimental numbers and the name William could be reduced to Wm or W. His regiment was "Royal Garrison Artillery".
As an officer he would have resided in the Officers' Mess of his particular unit during the war and while serving overseas. While on home service after the war he could have shared accommodation with his wife otherwise he would certainly have been free to visit at weekends and when granted leave.
With kind regards,
Alan

Posted by: Geoff {Email left}
Location: Maidenhead
Date: Sunday 8th June 2014 at 9:30 PM
Hi Alan,
You were such a great help to me before, I thought I would ask for your help again.
I previously requested information re Frank Horton. At the time I believed he was born in Walsall in 1891. This was probably wrong.
I have since discovered he enlisted in the Army Service Corps in WW1, in 1914 at Liverpool. His place of birth was Edge Hill, Liverpool. Father, George. Frank`s regimental number was 12084. can you possibly give me any additional information re his war service.
Best regards,
Geoff.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 9th June 2014 at 5:52 PM

Dear Geoff,
Frank Horton enlisted in the Army Service Corps as a horse driver on 17th September 1914 at Liverpool. He joined 146 Company ASC, which was part of 17th Divisional ASC train at Coombe Keynes, Wool, Dorset. On November 1st 1914 he went absent for four days and forfeited 4 days' pay. On 30th November 1914 he was admitted to hospital with acute appendicitis. He was discharged from the army as medically unfit and not likely to become an efficient soldier on 8th January 1915 under paragraph 392 iii (d) of King's Regulations.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Geoff
Date: Monday 9th June 2014 at 5:57 PM

Thanks a lot Alan . That`s great.
Reply from: Geoff
Date: Thursday 3rd July 2014 at 7:35 AM

Hi Alan,
Re the above information about Frank Horton. We know this was him because of the address he gave.
How accurate would the information be on a soldier`s war record in WW1?
In Frank`s record the medical examiner`s report is that Frank was only 5ft 4 1/2" and fair skinned. We know he was about 5ft 9" and slightly tanned. I know a lot of men lied about their age, but were there any documents required to enlist, i.e. proof of next of kin or address etc?
In other words, can we trust the information on war records? Unless of course someone lied.
Thanks,
Geoff.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 3rd July 2014 at 5:42 PM

Dear Geoff,
The information recorded on army records was not necessarily accurate, just as details on census records are frequently inconsistent. Some recruits disguised their age or birthplace; others genuinely did not know where they had been born or their exact date of birth.
Frank Horton stated his parish of birth was Edge Hill, which was in the Liverpool Registration District. Edge Hill was not a parish, but a city suburb which contained five chapelries of St Mary, St Stephen, St Jude, St Timothy, and St Catherine. The GRO birth index has no matching birth registered in Liverpool in 1892 or early 1893, so it is probable he was living in Edge Hill at the time he enlisted, not born there, which would mean there was no record in his army paperwork of where he was born. He gave two addresses: in September 1914, his next-of-kin was stated as his father: George Horton; 14 Alfred Street, Liverpool, and then, on discharge in January 1915, his intended place of residence was 23 Harbord Street, Wavertree Road, Liverpool, both of which are in Edge Hill. Birth information given by the recruit himself might not have been accurate: he might not have known where he was born, or he might have misstated his age. No documentary proof was required unless the recruit wished to make an allotment from his pay towards a separation allowance for his family, in which case his marriage and children's birth certificates would be required. As Frank's father was apparently his next-of-kin, Frank would have been un-married.
There is no immediately obvious census entry for a Frank or Francis Horton born about 1892 with a father named George.
On enlistment on September 17th 1914, he stated his age as 21 years and 276 days (which would mean a birthday of 15th/16th December 1892). On December 9th 1914 his "Application for Discharge" form stated his age was 22 and 2 days (giving a birthday of December 7th 1892). On his "Proceedings on Discharge" on January 8th 1915 he was aged 22 years and 25 days giving a birthday of December 15th1892.
On enlistment a recruit was medically examined by a doctor. Frank's measurements were taken by a medical officer who signed his name as Kinglsey O'Sullivan and should have been accurate. Height was usually measured using a scale with an adjustable slide against which a recruit stood to be measured. There is no reason to dispute the doctor's measurement of 5ft 4 1/2 inches. The record did not state he was fair skinned but stated he had a "fresh complexion" which meant healthy-looking without being pale or pasty.
On December 9th 1914, Kingsley O'Sullivan recorded Frank's height was 5ft 4 1/4ins.
Ideally, biographical information should be sought from three separate primary sources to provide corroborative proof, but that is frequently not possible to achieve. The ABC suggests: Assume nothing; Believe no-one; Check everything. Unfortunately, the surviving army documentation for Frank Horton is unhelpful as it does not indicate his place of birth or provide any biographical detail that can readily identify other documentation.
As Frank was discharged very early in the war, because of appendicitis, he could have voluntarily re-enlisted once he had recovered and from March 1916 he could have been compulsorily conscripted, even if only for home service. "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) recorded a Frank Horton, 23808, who was born in Walsall was killed in action on 13th November 1916 while serving with the 2nd Battalion South Staffordshire Regiment, but the CWGC does not list him and there are no biographical details for him. The GRO War Deaths, Army Other Ranks, (1914 to 1921) did list a Frank Horton 23808 as dying in 1916.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Geoff
Date: Thursday 3rd July 2014 at 6:06 PM

Thank you Alan,
That is a big help.
Your site is very informative and I will definately recommend you to others.
Best regards,
Geoff.
Reply from: Geoff
Date: Tuesday 15th July 2014 at 12:20 PM

Hi Alan,
Re the information regarding Frank Horton`s age.
As you say, there are 2 or 3 different birth dates re his given age on his military document.
Who would have calculated Frank`s age? Would he have given the info himself or, how would it have been calculated?
Thanks,
Geoff.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 15th July 2014 at 7:05 PM

Dear Geoff,
A recruit would have spoken his age when asked at the time he enlisted. The recruiter would have calculated the age from the man's stated birthday. On enlistment on September 17th 1914, Frank Horton stated his age as 21 years and 276 days (which would mean a birthday of 15th/16th December 1892). On December 9th 1914 his "Application for Discharge" form stated his age was 22 and 2 days (giving a birthday of December 7th 1892). On his "Proceedings on Discharge" on January 8th 1915 he was aged 22 years and 25 days giving a birthday of December 15th1892.
As his age was said to be 22 and two days on 9th December 1914, it would appear he had celebrated his birthday two days previously. The discharging medical officer would have asked him how old he was and would have written down the answer. Had he maintained a birthday of 15th/16th December 1892, his application for discharge would have shown an age of 21 years and 359 days.
The Army would have liked his age on enlistment and on discharge to be consistent, so they would have calculated that he was 22 years and 25 days old when he was discharged.
It was always plausible that the recruiting officer had miss-calculated the age of 21 and 276 days by sliding his finger along the calendar for an additional week. Of course, there was nothing to prevent the recruit making-up his age. The age of majority in 1914 was 21 and a man under that age could not rent rooms in his own name, so many young men "became" 21 some years earlier that their actual age. As a general rule, ages stated on Army forms do not constitute evidence.
With kind regards,
Alan

Posted by: Jo Howarth {Email left}
Location: Yorkshire
Date: Sunday 8th June 2014 at 9:29 PM
Hi Alan

I wondered if you could be so kind as to take a look at a WW1 service record for me please. The gentleman's name is a friend's grandfather, his name is Walter Field, Private 268538, of 13 Dunbar Street, Dewsbury Road, Leeds, West Yorkshire. DOB 1881 (born Hunslet, Leeds). Enlisted 1916, served with the West Yorkshire regiment and medically discharged in 1918 - that's as much as I can make out, I'm afraid. It looks like only medical discharge notes have survived but I'm wondering if there are clues which you can spot? Many thanks and kindest regards, Jo
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 9th June 2014 at 5:52 PM

Dear Jo,
Walter Field was compulsorily conscripted at Leeds at the age of 35 on 21st July 1916. He joined a reserve battalion of the West Yorkshire Regiment and was posted to the 3rd/7th (Reserve) Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment at Clipstone Camp in Nottinghamshire. He was admitted to hospital for stomach complaints on 7th December 1917 at Leeds Eastern War Hospital (now St James's Hospital, Leeds). His medical record showed he had suffered an ulcer in previous years. He was discharged as no longer physically fit for war service on 12th March 1918. He did not serve overseas and did not qualify for any medals. He was granted a silver War Badge for being discharged through sickness.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Joh
Date: Tuesday 10th June 2014 at 1:02 PM

Alan

Many, many thanks. Your insight and information is always very appreciated. I have just made an online donation of £10 to the British Legion in recognition of your kind effort to help all the people who post here.

Thank you and my kindest regards
Jo
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 10th June 2014 at 10:48 PM

Dear Jo,
Thank you for making a donation to the Royal British Legion. It makes it all worthwhile.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Ann Bedwell {Email left}
Location: Ipswich
Date: Sunday 8th June 2014 at 1:13 PM
Hello Alan
I am researching Francis Roberts born 1906 in Greenock and who died in WW2. I have found a death in Alexandria 31 May 1941. Service number 878453, 7 Medium Regiment Royal Artillery.
I am hoping this is my Francis. His parents were James and Lena.
Is there any way to find if this is the correct man and what happened to him
Thank you
Regards Ann
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 8th June 2014 at 6:19 PM

Dear Ann,
Service records for soldiers who served in the Second World War are not in the public domain. You would need to know from family sources his regiment and regimental number before searching. The Ministry of Defence holds Second World War service records which are protected under the Data Protection Act. The MoD will release certain amounts of information about a deceased person depending on whether you are next of kin or not. You can apply using the forms for next of kin, or with permission of next of kin, or as a general enquirer. See:
https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records
You will need proof of death; date of birth or service number; next of kin's permission (unless you are the direct next of kin); a cheque and completed Application forms Part 1 and 2: If you are not next-of-kin you can make a general enquiry using both the "Request for Service personnel details: general enquirer's form (v6) (DOC)" and then the Part 2 form which is entitled "Request for Service personnel details: British Army part 2 (DOC)". A cheque for GBP 30 should be made payable to the "MOD Accounting Officer" and sent to Army Personnel Centre Secretariat, Disclosures 2, Mail Point 515, Kentigern House, 65, Brown Street, Glasgow G2 8EX Scotland with all the paperwork.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Ann Bedwell
Date: Monday 9th June 2014 at 7:09 AM

Dear Alan
Thank you for your prompt reply. You have been most helpful
Regards Ann
Posted by: Aud {No contact email}
Location: Colchester
Date: Saturday 7th June 2014 at 5:30 AM
Dear Alan,

Re our Great Uncle Serjeant John Toole , Waterford, 2108 109th battalion RGA.
Died 28th Jan 1917 , buried at St. Sever, Rouen.

We have only recently discovered that he had in fact died in the Great War and not returned, as subsequent generations of his family have been led to believe.
My mother, his great niece, on learning of this, has decided to make the journey to St Sever at the end of this month to pay homage.
We would appreciate any information regarding his Army career.

Many Thanks ,
Aud
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 7th June 2014 at 3:19 PM

Dear Aud,
No individual service record has survived for Sergeant John Toole so it is not possible to state his military service. "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921), stated he "died" on 28th January 1917. The expression "died" (as opposed to "killed in action" or "died of wounds") meant his death was caused by other than military action, such as illness or accident. He was buried at St Sever Cemetery Extension in Rouen which was the base of numerous hospitals. The CWGC Says: "They included eight general, five stationary, one British Red Cross and one labour hospital, and No. 2 Convalescent Depot. A number of the dead from these hospitals were buried in other cemeteries, but the great majority were taken to the city cemetery of St. Sever. In September 1916, it was found necessary to begin an extension, where the last burial took place in April 1920."
When he died, Sgt Toole was serving with the 109th Siege Battery Royal Garrison Artillery. The Battery was formed at Dover in February 1916 and was in France by 8th June 1916. It served with 4th Army on the Somme at Mametz Wood and Fricourt, equipped with 6-inch howitzers. The guns were placed to the rear of the forward lines and were able to fire large-calibre high explosive rounds onto distant targets up to a range of 5.4 miles. The Battery had early casualties with their Major and a number of officers and men being killed by an enemy shell at Fricourt on July 24th 1916.
John Toole qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Aud
Date: Monday 9th June 2014 at 8:11 AM

Thank you so much for your speedy response, Alan.
Posted by: Brian Renshall {Email left}
Location: Rainhill
Date: Friday 6th June 2014 at 5:29 PM
Alan, Could you perhaps supply ay info on an Harold Welsby 6935 Royal Engineers ? He was from Rainhill in what was then Lancashire.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 6th June 2014 at 8:05 PM

Dear Brian,
No individual service record has survived for Harold Welsby so it is not possible to state his wartime service. An Army medal rolls index-card recorded he served with the Royal Engineers with the regimental numbers 6935 and 426250. The latter number was allotted to the 1st West Lancashire Field Company Royal Engineers in the first weeks of 1917 when all Territorial Force soldiers were re-numbered. At the same time, the company lost its regional title and was numbered 419th Field Company RE. The company had been in France since February 1915.
The medal card recorded the highest rank held by Harold was Acting Company Quartermaster Sergeant and he qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not serve abroad until, some date after January 1st 1916.
The 419th Field Company served in the Ypres sector with 4th Division from February 1915. Then, in 1916, they moved to the 55th Division. They moved south where they were engaged at The Battle of Guillemont; The Battle of Ginchy; The Battle of Flers-Courcelette and The Battle of Morval. In October 1916 they returned to the Ypres sector (Third Ypres). In 1918 they fought at the Battle of the Lys and Givenchy (April) and took part in the final advance. The company's locations are shown at:
http://www.reubique.com/419fc.htm
The 55th Division's engagements are shown at:
http://www.1914-1918.net/55div.htm

With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Eleanor Cole {Email left}
Location: Clipstone
Date: Tuesday 3rd June 2014 at 12:14 PM
Do you know anything about the military hospital set up at Mount Felix, Walton on Thames Surrey please?
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 3rd June 2014 at 2:12 PM

Dear Eleanor,
It was designated the 2nd New Zealand General Hospital. There is a comprehensive history at:
http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/2nzgh.html

and
http://www.walton-on-thames.org/mountfelix/index.htm

With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Paul Davies {No contact email}
Location: Canada
Date: Monday 2nd June 2014 at 4:48 PM
Good Morning Mr. Greveson - I was wondering, hoping, you could help me with Harold E. Barss His service number was 117128 He served with the 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards and Best Wishes
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 3rd June 2014 at 12:11 PM

Dear Paul,
Harold E. Barrs enlisted in May 1915 at Calgary and trained as a recruit with the 103rd Regiment Canadian Militia which acted as a wartime recruiting depot in Calgary for the Canadian Expeditionary Force. On June 8th 1915 Harold was posted to, and attested to join, the 12th Regiment Canadian Mounted Rifles at Calgary for service with the Canadian Overseas Expedition Force (C.E.F.).
Harold, who was single, was aged 29 and ten months when he enlisted. He had been born on 20th July 1885 at the coastal town of Canso, Nova Scotia, the son of Isaac and Lucy Barss. Harold had a ruddy complexion, grey eyes and black hair. He was a Methodist.
The regiment he joined was neither a regiment nor was it mounted. It became a battalion and the men served, dismounted, as infantrymen.
The 12th Regiment Canadian Mounted Rifles (12th C.M.R.) had been organized in December 1914 under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel George Macdonald and was authorized in General Order 36 of 15th March 1915. It was based at Calgary and recruited men from Calgary and Red Deer. The regiment sailed for England from Montreal on 9th October 1915 aboard the "Missanabie", a new twin-screw steamer of the Canadian Pacific Ocean Services. See:
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/CP1.html#Missanabie

They arrived in England on October 18th 1915 with a strength of 27 Officers and 541 other ranks. The historical record of the 12th Regiment C.M.R. is held by Library and Archives Canada (LAC) in RG 9 III-D-1, vol.4707, folder 88, file 12. There is no obvious war diary for this regiment and it appears it may have been broken up, because on January 28th 1916 a draft of 306 men was sent to the 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles and the remainder to The Fort Garry Horse at the Canadian Cavalry Depot on 3rd February 1916.
The 2nd Regiment Canadian Mounted Rifles had been in France since September 22nd 1915. Its designation changed from "regiment" to "battalion" when the 8th Canadian Infantry Brigade was formed on 1st January 1916. Consequently, the unit's title varied between 2nd Regiment Canadian Mounted Rifles, 2nd Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles; 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion, and 2nd C.M.R..
The CWGC Debt of Honour recorded Sergeant Harold Barss was killed while he was serving with the 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion. It would be necessary to see his complete service record to establish if he was part of the draft of January 28th 1916. The Library and Archives Canada (LAC) are to publish on-line the first batch of service records with surnames A D "in the summer of 2014".
The war diary of 2nd C.M.R. is available online, as is the first and second page of Harold's attestation paper. See "Soldiers of the First World War" and "War Diaries" under "Databases" at:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/Pages/military-heritage.aspx

The Canada War Graves Registers recorded his body was exhumed from a battlefield burial 4 ¾ miles North-north-east of Albert before being buried in Regina Trench Cemetery (Canada, CEF Commonwealth War Graves Registers, 1914-1919 for H E Barss).
The War Graves Registry: Circumstances of Death Records; (RG150, 1992-1993/314, Boxes 39-144); Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario) stated 117128 Sergeant Harold E Barrs of the 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles was killed in action on 30th September 1916 and was buried at Regina Trench, Courcelette, 5 ½ miles North-east of Albert, France. It stated: "Exhumed from North-west of Courcelette, 4 ¾ miles North-north-east of Albert, Rank shown on certified report 61-79C as private. Date of casualty not shown on certified report. Necessary action taken to amend report and cross inscription. This non-commissioned officer was killed by enemy shell fire when in the front line trenches in the vicinity of Pozieres. [He was buried in] grave 28, plot 6, row F of Regina Trench Cemetery, Courcelette [Grandcourt])" (Canada, War Graves Registers (Circumstances of Casualty), 1914-1948). Note the original grave marker was a "cross inscription".
"Regina Trench" was a German earthwork, captured for a time by the 5th Canadian Brigade on 1st October 1916. On the night of September 30th the 2nd C.M.R. had been in Brigade support. The trench was attacked again by the 1st and 3rd Canadian Divisions on 8th October, taken in part by the 18th and 4th Canadian Divisions on 21st October, and finally cleared by the 4th Canadian Division on 11th November 1916. (Enter 50.066332, 2.729255 into Google Earth).

Of Regina Trench Cemetery, the CWGC states that after the war "two considerable groups of scattered graves, classed as cemeteries, were concentrated into Regina Trench Cemetery:- Courcelette Road Cemetery, Miraumont, was on the West side of West Miraumont Road, between Courcelette and Miraumont, and in it were buried soldiers from Canada and from the United Kingdom, who fell in September - November 1916. Miraumont British Cemetery, on the East side of the same road, contained the graves of soldiers from Canada and from the United Kingdom, who fell in September -December 1916."
The war diary of the 2nd C.M.R. is available to read online at

http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=2nd+canadian+mounted&s13=&s12=&l=20&s9=RG9&s7=9-52&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect4=AND&Sect5=WARDPEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=FIND&p=1&u=http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/02015202_e.html&r=2&f=G

The Canadians' fighting at Mouquet Farm ("Mucky Farm") Courcelette and later at Regina Trench was commended as "a fine performance of which all ranks may be proud. I congratulate you warmly." (D. Haig, Genl, Commander in Chief, September 1916).
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Paul
Date: Saturday 7th June 2014 at 10:44 PM

Mr. Greveson - you are totally amazing - thank you so much
Posted by: Mike {Email left}
Location: London
Date: Thursday 29th May 2014 at 2:35 PM
Hi
I'm trying to find out more on my grand-father's military history. The only information I have is from the Medal Rolls Index card:
Stotter, Frederick E
2/ S Lan. R. Pte 9993
M.G.C. Pte 61457
Award Victory, British and 14 Star
First served in France entered 14.08.14

I do know he fought for the M.G.C. boxing team and lost a fight at Clipstone Camp in June 1918.
If anyone can help with his service record, I'd appreciate it very much.
Thanks
Michael Stotter
Posted by: Bella {No contact email}
Location: Esher
Date: Thursday 29th May 2014 at 12:06 PM
Dear Alan,

Sorry to be a nuisance but have been trying all morning (know that's not long for research) but would have thought it might have been a straight forward trace (am I kidding myself!) so wonder if you can put me out of my misery.

George Gosling born Taunton/Bristol 1847 married to an Eliza Slack born Rotherhithe 1847 who were married 1869.

He died somewhere between 1901 and 1911 Census but can find no trace. Could you help? Would be most grateful.

With kind regards.

Bella
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 29th May 2014 at 6:43 PM

Dear Bella,
A George Henry Gosling was born in Bristol in 1848. His wife Eliza was recorded without her husband in 1901 and 1911. There was a George Gosling, born Bristil 1841, at Pancras Workhouse in 1901. It would be necessary to establish where George was living when he died and then order the death certificates of any likely deaths between 1901 and 1911 of a George Gosling who was born in the 1840s. It is not possible to identify his death from the online GRO indexes.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Bella
Date: Thursday 29th May 2014 at 7:58 PM

Dear Alan,

Many, many thanks.

Bella

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