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Posted by: Peter {Email left}
Location: Billingham
Date: Wednesday 16th July 2014 at 1:41 PM
Dear Alan Can you please help me with this one
Major Thomas Henry Lindberg He is down as Special List. He was born in 1852 joined the West Riding of Yorkshire Volunteer Corps in 1879 He subsequently served in the 1st Volunteer Battalion West Yorkshire regiment and the 3rd Volunteer Battalion Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry in 1898 he transferred to the 3rd Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers with all these units he became an instructor in Musketry he transferred to Reserve of Officers in 1908 The next appointment list him as Captain in the 3rd Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers and in October 1914 became temporary Major He died on the 24th April 1915 aged 63 Alan can you tell me what the Special List Commissioned Officers. Regards Peter.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 16th July 2014 at 4:52 PM

Dear Peter,
Officers commissioned to the Special List were officers who had a specialist skill for which they were employed away from their usual regimental duties of platoon or company commander. Many skills were in demand such as civil engineering, railway operating, cartography, or intelligence work. In the case of Major Lindberg he was a talented artist who lived on his own means. In the 1891 and 1901 census he was recorded living at 5, St Peter's Terrace, York, and, in 1911, at Acomb House, Acomb, York. He had been a J.P. and a York city councillor for the Bootham Ward. He served in the Militia and became a musketry instructor. He was the inventor of a miniature rifle range. He latterly served with the 3rd Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers on Malta during the Second Anglo-Boer War, relieving regular soldiers from garrison duty. He transferred to the Reserve of Officers in 1908.
The design of rifle and pistol shooting-ranges was a specialist skill which required experience of laying-out of arcs of fire, ranges and butts as well as calculating safety areas and air and surface danger zones.
During the First World War he was employed as "a musketry instructor to the troops at Hurworth-on-Tees". After being admitted to hospital for an operation, he was recuperating at a nursing home in Leeds where died on Saturday 24th April 1915 (obituary, "Yorkshire Evening Post", 24th April 1915).
His service record is held at the National Archives:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details/C1058771?descriptiontype=Full&ref=WO+339/4828
Whilst Major Lindberg may have worn the cap-badge of the Northumberland Fusiliers he would not have been on their ration strength as he did not live and mess with them. He would have been on the strength of the Special List whilst serving away from the Northumberland Fusiliers as an instructor or commandant of musketry ranges at Hurworth. Hurworth House was on an estate owned by Colonel George Scurfield (1810 1895) Honorary Colonel of the Darlington Volunteers and, then, his son, George John Scurfield, who died in May 1914. The estate was apparently sold by George's widow, Rose, in July 1923. It consisted of Hurworth House and Home Farm; Hurworth Hall; and ten farms on 1,346 acres. Part of the estate might well have been given over to military training during the war. The nearby but remote garrison at Catterick Camp was constructed from late 1914 and housed its first troops in 1916.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 16th July 2014 at 5:51 PM

The obituary notice in the Yorkshire Evening Post - Saturday 24 April 1915 was via The British Newspaper Archive and is © Johnston Press plc. courtesy of The British Library Board.
Reply from: Peter
Date: Wednesday 16th July 2014 at 7:24 PM

Dear Alan Thank you for your help with Major Thomas Lindberg you have given me a wonderful sight into his life as an officer and Gentleman. I am most grateful once more for your time you have given to this enquiry .
Best Regards Peter.

Posted by: Myles {Email left}
Location: Lowestoft
Date: Tuesday 15th July 2014 at 5:08 PM
Hi I have been trying to research my great uncle Lazarus Shattenstein who was with the 7th Cameron Highlanders and died 11/3/1918, I have a wonderful letter from the chaplain who tells my great grandmother that he has taken steps to have a five point star put on his grave and details how he died. I would really like to know who he served with and battle fought or if there exists any photograph of the battalion. The chaplain who has written the letter is David Scott Many thanks
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 15th July 2014 at 7:40 PM

Dear Myles,
No individual army service record has survived for Lazarus Shattenstein so it is not possible to state his military service. An Army medal rolls index-card recorded his regimental number with the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders was 203258. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not go overseas until some date after January 1st 1916. The regimental number 203258 was part of a batch of numbers allotted to the 4th Battalion Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders in the first few weeks of 1917 when all Territorial Force soldiers were allotted new six-digit numbers. The index-card was supposed to record the details of a man when he first served overseas, so Lazarus would have first gone abroad after January 1917 as his regimental number was already one that was allotted early in 1917 or later. There were three battalions that had the title 4th Camerons. Two of them were reserve battalions in the UK. He probably enlisted into one of the reserve battalions of the 4th Camerons and was later posted to a battalion serving overseas as part of a draft of reinforcements. See:
http://www.1914-1918.net/cameron.htm

When Lazarus was killed in action on March 11th 1918, he was serving with the 7th Battalion Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders which was not a Territorial Force battalion but a wartime-raised battalion. He therefore would have been part of a draft of reinforcements to the 7th Battalion at some stage before he was killed. The 7th Battalion Cameron Highlanders served with the 44th Infantry Brigade in the 15th (Scottish) Division. See:
http://www.1914-1918.net/15div.htm

The 7th Battalion's war diary can be downloaded (£3.30) from the UK National Archives website:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7352796

The typed Graves Registration report listed him as Lazarus Shattenstien (sic) which had been altered in pen to Shalterstein. The report stated "religious symbol" a "cross" had been erected in plot II, row A, grave 10 at Windmill British Cemetery in Monchy-le-Preux, near Arras in the Pas de Calais, France. The then Imperial War Graves Commission erected a war grave headstone engraved with a Christian cross. See:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=15976113&PIpi=5161667
The original grave registration documentation is at:
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/29317/SHATTENSTEIN,%20L

Should a Christian emblem be not appropriate, you can contact the Commonwealth War Graves Commission at 2 Marlow Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire, SL6 7DX United Kingdom.

"Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) stated Lazarus was born in Liverpool and enlisted in Glasgow. The 1901 England census recorded him with his parents and siblings as a three-year-old born in Manchester and living at Broughton, Salford. His father was Davies (David) Sattenstein (sic) and his mother Fanny. Both his parents had been born in Russia (National Archives; RG 13; Piece 3725; Folio: 167; Page: 33). David was a cabinet maker who moved to Glasgow with his family of nine children. The family lived at 117 Hospital Street, Glasgow, in 1910 when David Shattenstein died of typhus fever in the Belvidere Hospital on 4th April 1910. David was the son of Wolff Shattenstein, a farmer, deceased and his wife Rebecca (deceased) whose maiden name was not recorded (GRO Scotland (Statutory Deaths 644/01 0389)). David's widow, Fanny, and the children moved to the Gorbals in Glasgow and resided at 21 Rutherglen Road where Fanny Shattenstein died on 7th December 1927 of myocarditis and hemiplegia (partial paralysis) after suffering Grave's Disease for 13 years. She was the daughter of Lazarus Rosenstein, deceased, a traveller. Her mother's details were not recorded. (GRO Scotland (Statutory Deaths 644/17 0428)).
Any photographs of the regiment would be held by the regimental museum or the Imperial War Museum. See:
http://www.thehighlandersmuseum.com/

The Reverend David Scott served in France and Flanders with the Royal Army Chaplains' Department (RAChD) from 25th September 1917. After the war, in 1924, he lived at The Manse of Mearns, Newton Mearns, Renfrewshire, which was some seven miles from Glasgow.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Myles
Date: Tuesday 15th July 2014 at 7:47 PM

Thank you so much for all of the information you have sent to me, I will contact the links you have sent to me, a massive thank you again
Reply from: Jean Graham
Date: Tuesday 13th September 2016 at 7:00 PM

I just discovered this site today when I entered my Dad's uncle's name in a "Google' search, and was amazed to see an inquiry on his brother Lazarus. No doubt by now Myles, you already have a photo of Lazarus' grave in France, but if not you can receive a copy of it from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission for a small fee. A memorial certificate can also be downloaded at no charge, and is a very nice keepsake. Should you also like to see pictures of his parents and brother Woolfe's graves, they can be viewed by going to glasgowhebrewburialsociety.org. Woolfe is interred at the Glenduffhill Cemetery and the picture is excellent. His parents Fanny and David are buried in Sandymount Cemetery, although the gravestones are not in great condition.
Reply from: Ruth Harper
Date: Tuesday 13th September 2016 at 8:39 PM

Hi, thank you for that information my grandfather was Woolfe's brother Harry Stein. I have written to the Commonwealth War Graves Commision asking for the headstone to be altered and am awaiting their response. Do you have any photographs of Lazarus or any information as to where Fanny and David were married? My Auntie Muriel is going to have a look for me, my brother David has the original letter from the battlefield pretty amazing....look forward to hearing from you
Reply from: Jean Graham
Date: Wednesday 14th September 2016 at 7:42 PM

Hi Ruth,

I'm afraid I have no idea where Fanny and David were married. I have a copy of the 1901 census which was mentioned in the earlier response, and it shows all of the children born at that time, namely Annie, Wolfe, Rebecca, Lazarus and Jane, were born in Manchester. David and Fanny were recorded as being 34 at that time, and their eldest child was said to be 8 years old, so they may have married a few years before in Russia. Nor do I have any pictures of Lazarus which I would love to have been able to share. Until I started researching my family tree, I knew nothing of his existence, and was delighted to find his grave and the memorial certificate.

Like Lazarus, Wolfe (his name is spelled differently on various documents), served in WWI, and there is a medal card which can be viewed on Ancestry, which shows the medals which he received.

I do have what I believe is a picture of Wolfe and his wife Maggie, along with her parents, perhaps you could give me your email address, and I'll forward it to you and your aunt may be be able to confirm it is in fact Wolfe. Maggie was married twice, but I don't think this is her first husband Arthur Middleton in the photo. Interestingly, when she married Wolfe, she said she was a spinster, not divorced or widowed, perhaps as his family might not approve. I believe she was a divorcee, and am hoping to confirm this when I visit Scotland next.

Another thing you may be interested to know, is that Wolfe's death registration is shown under the name of Harry Davies, formerly Shattenstein, so he and Maggie,like your grandfather anglicized their names. Interestingly however, on the Jewish burial site, it shows his Hebrew name of Vellvill Ben David. I wish I had realized his family had such an interesting history, but I only remember meeting him once when I was a young girl.
Reply from: Jean Graham
Date: Thursday 15th September 2016 at 12:36 PM

I have just found out that Ancestry.co.uk has free access to their military records until midnight GMT. Through this, as well as viewing the medal records of Lazarus and Woolfe, you can find the record of pay due to Lazarus, which was sent to his next of kin, that being his mother Fanny.
You will also be able view the War Diaries which show the area of battle which the Cameron Highlanders were involved in at the time of Lazarus' death. Check the page which is numbered at the top margin, specifically #264 and 265, which relate to March 1918. These pages can be printed.
Reply from: Ruth Harper
Date: Thursday 15th September 2016 at 5:32 PM

Thankyou for all that Jean I am actually in holiday in Portugal at the moment due home tomorrow so I'll have a look when I get home. I have lovely memories of my Aunt Ettie, Wolfe's sister she worked in my grandpas shop and visited us often and had the same daft sense of humour my grandpa had. My mum has quite a few photographs when I get home I'll ask her to send to me and I can send on to you. My email address is (ruth at thelaurels1 dot wanadoo dot co dot uk).
Reply from: Ruth Harper
Date: Thursday 15th September 2016 at 6:55 PM

I am totally confusing my mum!! My mum has a cousin Margaret whose mother was Pearl birth mother Jean Shattenstein brought up by Wolfe and Maggie...help!!my mum would love to know who your parents are etc....thanks!. She only had 2 cousins Wolfe and Freddie Young who were also double cousins ..thanks
Reply from: Jean Graham
Date: Thursday 15th September 2016 at 10:25 PM

Ruth I am going to send you an email tomorrow directly, detailing who my parents are etc., meanwhile since you said that you are on holiday and won't return until tomorrow, which will be too late to view the free Ancestry records, I have printed off some copies along with a few pictures which I shall send this evening to you. Among the pictures by the way, is one of Pearl as a girl, with Maggie's Dad, who was my great grandfather.
Reply from: Jean Graham
Date: Monday 19th September 2016 at 6:18 PM

Hope that you received the pictures etc that I sent on Friday. If you haven't then let me know, as I may have got your email address wrong.
Posted by: Jim Regan {Email left}
Location: Garden City New York
Date: Thursday 10th July 2014 at 3:00 PM
Hi Alan i am trying to locate some additional information about Richard Tobin from Kilfinane Co. Limerick. He was killed in action in Jerusalem on Nov. 23,1917. His service number was 26132. He was a private in the Essex Regiment 2nd Garrison BN. any information you can share would be appreciated thank you Jim Regan
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 10th July 2014 at 7:07 PM

Dear Jim,
Richard Tobin was not killed in action and did not serve at Jerusalem in Palestine.
Richard Tobin was the son of William and Mary Tobin who, in the 1920s, lived at Lower Main Street, Kilfinane, Co. Limerick. Richard lived in Marylebone, London, before the war and originally enlisted in the Middlesex Regiment at Marylebone for wartime service. He was transferred to the 2nd Garrison Battalion of the Essex Regiment. Garrison battalions were raised from men who were unfit for front line fighting to guard camps and key points, releasing fitter men to fight in front line units. The 2nd Garrison Battalion Essex Regiment was raised at Halton Park in Buckinghamshire in the UK in January 1916 and was sent to India, a country which was not a war zone. The Battalion was stationed at Inkerman Barracks, at Nasirabad as part of the Nasirabad Brigade, 5th (Indian) Division. Private Richard Tobin, 26132, died of gastritis, aged 32, on 23rd November 1917 and is buried as Nasirabad Government Cemetery in central India. Nasirabad was a cantonment in the Ajmer district in the state of Rajasthan. The local cemetery, which was outside the cantonment, contains twenty war burials of which eleven are of men from the Essex Regiment. His name is also on Face 7 of the Kirkee 1914-1918 Memorial. Kirkee, also known as Khadki, is a Military Cantonment adjoining the large university town of Poona on the Deccan plateau above Bombay (Mumbai), Maharashtra, India. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission states the Memorial commemorates 1800 people who died in India during the First World War, who are buried in civil and cantonment cemeteries in India and Pakistan where their graves were considered to be unmaintainable.
Richard Tobin qualified for the British War Medal as he had "left his place of residence and rendered approved service overseas".
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Mary
Date: Friday 11th July 2014 at 9:46 PM

Hi Richard's neice Mary Tobin is still living in lower main street Kilfinane and would like to get in contact with anyone who knows anything about her late her uncle post more details if possible
Reply from: Jim Regan
Date: Friday 11th July 2014 at 10:03 PM

Hi Mary my name is Jim Regan and i have been researching my O'Regan family from Ballyroe Lower for a number of years. in researching a relation william O'Regan married to Mary Tobin i was interested in finding out more about Richard Tobin to determine if we are somehow related. please feel free to contact me at email (mutharegan at aol dot com)
Reply from: Catherine
Date: Friday 28th August 2015 at 8:24 PM

Jim
Has anyone any information on Thomas Lynch who also lived in Ballyroe, Kilfinane. He was wounded and sent home to have his leg amputated in Dublin. He would have been awarded the Silver Wound Badge. My grandmother mentioned Ypres to me as a child. He married Catherine Ahearne from Bray in Co. Wicklow in St. Andrews Catholic Church Kilfinane on 16/4/1917. I know he was allocated one of those soldier land trust Cottages in Mill Hill,Kilfinane He was baptised in Kilfinane on the 5/11/1893. He would have been in receipt of a British army pension. He died 11/8/1952 in Kilfinane and he is buried in the old graveyard in Kilfinande alongside his brother John who served in the Royal Irish Regiment, reference no. 10150. After 3 years trying to track Grandad Lynch I'm giving up. There is far too many Thomas Lynch''s on the Kew Records to ever find him there. I would love to compile a history of all the war heroes from Kilfinane. I know 2 brothers Patrick and Michael Condon of Chapel St. died in the war as well as Maurice Regan,Barrack St. Kilfinane. My e-mail is (leggs44 at eircom dot net).
Reply from: Jim Regan
Date: Saturday 29th August 2015 at 12:20 PM

The2009 historical journal of the kilfinane coshlea historical society Nasa listing of local people who died in world war one. Michael lynch. And Michael and Patrick lynch are listed. My research has been on the Regan family. Wwrote an article about the soldiers land trust home of William oregan I can share.
Reply from: Mary Leggett
Date: Sunday 25th October 2015 at 10:43 PM

Jim. Re. Thomas Lynch.
Is there anything in the article you wrote about the Sailors and Soldiers Land Trust that might give me a lead on my grandfathers trust cottage in Mill Hill, Kilfinane. My e-mail address is (leggs44 at eircom dot net)
Many thanks
Mary

Posted by: Ann {Email left}
Location: France
Date: Sunday 6th July 2014 at 6:26 PM
Hello Alan,

Can you help me, please. The Medal Card for my Great grandfather, Samuel Oliver Taylor, exists but no sign of his Service Record. Here are the details of the Medal Card : Regiment N° 230/201106, Rank Private, Rifle Brigade. Reference WO 372/19/178863.

Do you know which particular Regiment? Do you have an idea of his date of enlistment, date of discharge? Do you know where he served?

Thank you so much for your time and help, Ann
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 7th July 2014 at 10:32 AM

Dear Ann,
As no individual service record has survived for Samuel Oliver Taylor, it is not possible to state his military service. His regimental number, 201106, indicated he served in one of the eight Territorial non-combatant garrison battalions of The Rifle Brigade, which were designated the 18th to 25th Battalions. These garrison battalions were formed in late 1915 to be employed guarding vulnerable points in the U.K.. The men were supernumeraries and older men drawn from other regiments in the autumn of 1915. In early 1916, the Battalions were posted for garrison guard duties overseas. In early 1917 the men were re-numbered, so Samuel had two regimental numbers: 230 when he enlisted and then 201106 in 1917. The 18th, 23rd and 24th Battalions Rifle Brigade went to India, a country which was not a theatre of war; the 19th and 20th went to Egypt. The 21st went to India via Egypt, and the 22nd went to Salonika via Egypt. The 25th Battalion remained at Falmouth in Cornwall.
Samuel Taylor qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he went abroad on some date after January 1st 1916 and, because he qualified for campaign medals for serving overseas in a theatre of war, he probably served in Egypt or Greece (Salonika). It is not possible to say where he served. He would have enlisted in late 1915 and would have been discharged in early 1919.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Ann
Date: Monday 7th July 2014 at 5:35 PM

Alan,

Thank you so much for your time and all the details you have given. All this precious information will now be added to my ever-growing history of my family.

Agan, thank you
Posted by: Peter {Email left}
Location: Billingham
Date: Friday 4th July 2014 at 4:13 PM
Dear Alan Hope you can help me with this one
Major Arthur William ScottSon of Henry anad Sarah Ann Scott Born 1865 Kingston upon Hull died 25th September 1915.
Best Regards Peter.
Posted by: Tess {No contact email}
Location: Newton Abbot
Date: Friday 4th July 2014 at 3:14 PM
Hi Alan,
I have been asked to research the owner of a Prayer Book inscribed:

"Pte A R Hale, B Company, No. 2709, 3/4th Queen's Battalion, 27 Jan 1916, 18yrs 10 months"

In the Medal Card Index I can find an Alphonso R Hale, but with longer regimental numbers:
The Queen's Regiment Pte. 37912
North Staffordshire Regiment No. 43244

Is there a formula or list of how the shorter numbers equate with the longer regimental numbers and so prove A.R.Hale is Alphonso R Hale?
Thanks for your help, as ever,
Tess
Posted by: Graham {No contact email}
Location: Newark
Date: Sunday 29th June 2014 at 5:31 PM
Dear Alan, I have been researching the 1st War activities of George Bell. Born Worksop, Nottinghamshire, 19.10.1892. Attested Sherwood Foresters 10.11.1914. Reg. No. 18695. Re mustered Royal Engineers 25.6.1916 Reg. No. 156467. 181 Tunnelling Company his civilian occupation being Coal Miner. In his records is a hand written application for transfer and an official form for transfer to the 181st. I have two questions. Would this transfer be part of a recruting drive for tunnellers or of his own volition. 2nd question. What would be the rate of pay for a tunneller in 1916? Another question. Is there any easily available information regarding the activities of the 181 Tunnelling Company. Best regards, Graham.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 29th June 2014 at 6:58 PM

Dear Graham,
George Bell would have "volunteered" to join the Royal Engineers as the result of the Royal Engineers' trawling for former coal miners and sewer tunnellers ("clay kickers") to be released from infantry battalions. Railway men and quarrymen were also in demand at different times and were "combed out" of infantry regiments and other corps. The adjutant of the 1st Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment (Sherwood Foresters) might have drawn up a list of all former miners as a result of a War Office letter being circulated, dated 8th March 1915, which gave the Royal Engineers authority for such transfers. Alternatively, the RSM might have had all the men on parade and ordered: "All former miners: one pace forward." The paperwork was then duly drawn up to record that everyone from the Brigade commander of 24th Infantry Brigade to Private Bell was happy with the transfer.
George was transferred to the Royal Engineers on 25th June 1916 and on 26th June 1916 he joined 181st Tunnelling Company Royal Engineers as a sapper. All men with similar Royal Engineers regimental numbers to George's had also served previously in an infantry regiment. A sapper was a private soldier with a trade skill, whose rate of pay started at 1s 3d a day. George was promptly re-mustered as a tunneller's mate at the tunneller's mate's rate of pay of 2s and 2d a day (the date is illegible). On 17th September 1916 he was re-mustered as a tunneller. Tunnellers were paid six shillings a day. He was treated for four days at 51st Field Ambulance between 18th and 22nd October 1916. He was granted ten days' leave to the UK on 16th January 1917. In 1917 the 181st Company was working on the caves and tunnels beneath Arras and the surrounding district. See:
http://www.greatwar.co.uk/french-flanders-artois/museum-wellington-quarry.htm
On November 9th 1918 the War Office required the return of all skilled miners to the UK to go back underground for the war effort at home. This was known as being transferred to Class W Reserve "for all those soldiers whose services are deemed to be more valuable to the country in civil rather than military employment". George returned to the UK and went back to work as a collier in December 1918.
There is some general information about the Tunnelling Companies at:
http://www.1914-1918.net/tunnelcoyre.htm
One of the 181st Company officers wrote a book in 1923 which is available as a reprint. See:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fighting-Boche-Underground-Harry-Trounce/dp/1141618672
The war diary of 181st Tunnelling Company is held at the UK National Archives.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7350043
You would need to visit the Archives at Kew or you could have the diary photographed economically by a professional researcher such as Lee Richards:
http://arcre.com/

With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Graham
Date: Sunday 29th June 2014 at 10:30 PM

Dear alan, I have been looking for the above information for some time. You have supplied it within a few hours. Many thanks. Best regards, Graham.
Posted by: Nigel Cox {Email left}
Location: Stamford
Date: Sunday 29th June 2014 at 6:31 AM
Dear Alan

I am looking for some information on Annas Rowland Pollard, who I believe was killed on 3rd October 1917 and I think was in the Leicestershire regiment (number 31190)

also for Frank Pollard, possibly killed 31st July 1917, maybe Lincolnshire regiment (number 12085)

they were both born in my home village of Easton on the Hill Northamptonshire

many thanks

Nigel
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 29th June 2014 at 2:03 PM

Dear Nigel,
No individual service record has survived for Annas Rowland Pollard so it is not possible to state his military service. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not go abroad until some date after January 1st 1916. He died of wounds on October 3rd 1917 when serving with the 8th Battalion The Leicestershire Regiment. The 8th Battalion had been in France and Flanders since 29th July 1915, so Annas would have been part of a later draft of reinforcements. He was buried at Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery a few miles west of Ypres where there had been a number of casualty clearing stations. The CWGC stated he was aged 37, the son of Edward Pollard, of Easton, Stamford, Lincs. [Easton on the Hill, Northamptonshire] and the husband of Mrs. Pollard, of 26, Old Milton St., Leicester. Annas had married Harriett Noble in 1902 and a daughter Eveline, was born in 1910. Annas' father, Edward Pollard, was a police constable. Annas had been a tailor's presser.
The war diary of the 8th Battalion Leicestershire Regiment can be downloaded from the National archives in two parts at a cost of GBP 3.30 each. See:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7353183
for July 1916 to May 1918 and
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7354096
for 1914-1916.
The 8th Battalion Leicestershire Regiment served in the 110th Infantry Brigade in the 21st Division. They had been fighting at The Battle of Polygon Wood from 26th September 1917 to 3rd October 1917. As Annas had died at a casualty clearing station he had probably been wounded within the previous twenty-four hours.
Annas (or Annis) is a name from the Old Testament meaning "grace of our Lord" in Hebrew.

There is no surviving individual service record for Frank Pollard. Annas had a brother three years younger than himself, called Frank, who was also a tailor's presser and then became a railway porter. Frank married and had three children recorded in the 1911 census. None of the available military records provide any biographical information to further identify him as the son of Edward, although "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) stated he was born at Easton, Northants. Frank Pollard, 12085, served as a corporal and then a serjeant in the 8th Battalion The Lincolnshire Regiment. He first entered France on 10th September 1915, which was the date the 8th Battalion landed at Boulogne. Raised at Lincoln in September 1914, the Battalion initially served with the 63rd Brigade in the 21st Division and trained at Halton Park, Wendover, until August 1915 when it moved to Witley Camp, Surrey, prior to embarkation on 9th September 1915. See:
http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/places/BUCKINGHAMSHIRE/halton.htm
The 21st Division was put into battle very shortly after landing in France in 1915, fighting at Loos (25th September 18th October 1915). In 1916 it fought on the opening day of the Battles of the Somme at The Battle of Albert on July 1st 1916. On 8th July 1916 the Brigade transferred to the 37th Division in the Ypres sector.
Serjeant Pollard was killed in action on 31st July 1917 and has no marked grave. He would have been 34 years old. He is commemorated on the Menin Gate memorial at Ypres. The date of his death was the opening day of the Third Battle of Ypres. The war diary of the 8th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment is available to download from the National archives. See:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7354087
for August 1916 to March 1919 (37 Division) and
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7353167
for September 1915 to July 1916 (21st Division).
Edward and Catherine Pollard's eldest son, George Edward, appears to have survived the war.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Nigel Cox
Date: Monday 30th June 2014 at 6:08 AM

Thanks as always Alan

regards

Nigel
Posted by: Annalea {No contact email}
Location: Canada
Date: Friday 27th June 2014 at 5:59 PM
Dear Alan,

Trying to trace my grandfather John Joseph Byrne Rgmt#8271 Lancashire Fusiliers Rank: Private attested Jan.11/1901 Liverpool (age 20yrs old. ) Born:Liverpool Trade on Enlistment:Driver Served in C Company At Depot in Bury Enlisted on Short Service (7yrs army & 5yrs,army reserve )

Cert.copy Entry of Death Rgmt#8271 Rank:Private Country of Birth:England Date of Death 19/02/1916 Age at death:( 35yrs.old) Place of Death:France /Cause of Death:Killed in action /.Buried @ Sucrerie Military Cementery ColincampSSomme,France

1907 Marriage St Chrysostum Church Everton/Liverpool John Joseph Byrne (age27yrs) To Agnes Walmsley
We also have my grand father in the 1911 Census for Lancanshire /Liverpool living with his wife Agnes /3 children/1 niece /1 nephew.

We have never been able to confirm a birth/baptismal record for my grandfather John Joseph Byrne born 1880/1881 .We have requested a birth cert.however it was not him.

Would be interested in any information you could provide regarding his Military service from 1901 to 1907.

I have checked the Census for Bury Depot 1901,however he is not listed there?

Kind Regards-Annalea
Reply from: Annalea
Date: Friday 27th June 2014 at 9:41 PM

Opps I mixed up the dates would be interested in any information you could provide regarding his Military service from 1901-1907 and or 1914 until his death Feb.19/1916.

Kind Regards-Annalea
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 28th June 2014 at 2:39 PM

Dear Annalea,
Unfortunately no military records from the period have survived for John Joseph Byrne of the Lancashire Fusiliers so it is not possible to state in which battalion of the Lancashire Fusiliers he enlisted. If he enlisted for seven years with the colours on January 11th 1901, he should have been in the army still when he married on December 1st 1907, yet his marriage certificate stated he was a fruit porter. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission recorded J.J. Byrne was serving with the 2nd Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers on the day he died: 19th February 1916. The 2nd Battalion had gone to France on 20th August 1914. A medal index card for J. T. (sic) Byrne 8217 Lancashire Fusiliers recorded he entered France on 11th September 1914, so he appears to have been part of a draft of reinforcements and his posting on mobilization would probably have been to the 2nd Battalion.
The General Register Office War Deaths listed him as Joseph J. Byrne, however there are no matching military records under that name. He qualified for the 1914 Star with Mons Clasp, The British War Medal and the Victory Medal. There is no positive evidence for which battalion he served in throughout the First World War although it was most probably the 2nd Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers. He went abroad in September 1914. The 1st Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers were in India and Aden in 1914-15, so it is probable, by date, that he served with the 2nd Battalion. The 2nd Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers served in the British 4th Division until 4th November 1915. John Byrne would probably have seen fighting, in 1914, at The Battle of Messines and, in 1915, at The Second Battle of Ypres. The 2nd Battalion then moved to the 36th Division from 4th November 1915 until 3rd February 1916 when the Battalion returned to the 4th Division in the area of Albert, on the Somme. The war diary of the 2nd Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers for the period can be downloaded for GBP 3.50 from:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C14053099

With kind regards,
Alan

For further research the following may be of interest: John Joseph's marriage certificate stated his father was named Joseph. In the 1891 census there is an entry for a John J Byrne, aged 10, the son of Joseph, a widower, warehouseman, at 96 Stanfield Road, Everton. Joseph, aged 32, was residing with his mother Mary Byrne, aged 56 and brother, Andrew, aged 22. In 1871, Joseph and Andrew appear to have been the son of Joseph, a cooper at sea, born about 1831 and his wife Mary, born in Ireland.
In the April 1881 census a Joseph Byrne, aged 22, married to Hannah, aged 21, who had a son, John Joseph, aged seven months, was living at 128, Comus Street, Liverpool.
A possible birth registration could be John Joseph Byrne; 1880 Jul-Aug-Sep; Liverpool; Lancashire; vol 8B; page 183. Or: John Byrne; 1880 Oct-Nov-Dec; Liverpool; Lancashire; vol 8B; Page 180.
In 1901 there was a census entry for Mary Byrne, aged 68, widow, with a son, Joseph aged 43, provision dealer, widower; and a son Andrew, 32, single, cotton porter; and a grandson aged 20, John J. Byrne, a freight clerk, all living at 10, Chelsea Road, Litherland¸ Lancashire.
However, it would be difficult to reconcile the April 1901 census entry with John J. Byrne's enlistment in the Army in January 1901 unless he had been swiftly discharged.
Reply from: Annalea
Date: Sunday 29th June 2014 at 12:34 AM

Dear Alan,

I was so excited to receive, and read through your post regarding by Grandfather John Joseph Byrne.
Your knowledge, and sharing of your expertise of Military Service and genealogy research is so appreciated.
The wonder of discovery,reading about your post on the movement of the troops, dates and conflicts,learning about the history of the war, and creating sources for others .I feel with the information that you have provided, I will forged ahead with a better understanding in tracing my ancestors,and the sources that are available.

Thank you Alan.

I will make a donation to the Canadian Legion.

Warm Regards
Annalea
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 29th June 2014 at 9:40 PM

Dear Annalea,
Thank you for making a donation to the Canadian Legion. It makes my work worthwhile.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Howard Barkell {Email left}
Location: Lydford Devon
Date: Monday 23rd June 2014 at 12:52 PM
Dear Alan,

I have a faded photograph of Albert Bennett Stratton (I think Royal Artillery) as a young soldier. He is wearing what I call a forage cap (fore and aft) and a dress jacket decorated with epaulettes and braid ending in tassels. He is wearing one medal and what appears to be a medal ribbon beside it. I know that he served in the First World War, R.F.A. No. 24791, but I should think the photograph, taken by Lugg and Sons, Okehampton, dates from much earlier. Are you able to fill in any of his career details for me, please?

Kind Regards,

Howard
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 23rd June 2014 at 6:23 PM

Dear Howard,
Albert Bennett Stratton stated he was aged 19 and four months in December 1897, which would have given a birth year of 1878. He stated he was born at St Neots in Huntingdonshire. From the GRO birth index it is likely he was born in Huntingdonshire in April June 1880.
He moved to Southwark where he was a carman and a coachman. He enlisted in the local militia: the 4th Battalion The East Surrey Regiment. Within four months he had enlisted in the regular army joining the Royal Artillery at Woolwich on 10th December 1897. Between 9th January 1898 and 12th December 1898 he served as a driver with the 85th Battery Royal Artillery. The 85th was stationed at Clonmel, County Tipperary, in February 1898.
On 12th December 1898, Albert was posted to the 47th Battery Royal Artillery where he remained for the next seven years. In September 1898 the 47th Battery was stationed at Mean Meer (Mian Mir) which was the military cantonment three miles east of the civil station of Lahore, India. 47th Battery usually had a strength of five officers and 114 men with 85 horses. They had 15-pounder guns. The Battery served in South Africa during the Second Anglo-Boer War (1899 1902). The Battery was involved in the Defence of Ladysmith. Conditions on the March in 1900 were harsh. One soldier recorded that they ate breakfast at 5 a.m. and then were "starved until 6 p.m." living on "boiled grass and bones", but with bully beef once a week on Sundays.
Albert was promoted to Bombardier on 1st July 1904.
On 12th December 1905 Albert's term of service ended after eight years and he then remained on the Reserve for 12 years, renewing the first four-year period on 18th December 1909 and voluntarily extending that period for another four years in December 1913. The 47th Battery served with 41st Brigade in India and returned to the U.K. in 1906 where it was garrisoned at Fulwood Barracks, Preston. It was garrisoned at Leeds between March 1907 and December 1909 when it returned to Preston.
Albert, whose address was Poplar, London, a bachelor, labourer, the son of Alfred, married Bessie Ann Shaddick on April 16th 1906, which was Easter Monday, at St Bridget's Church, Bridestowe. He stated his age as 26, which appears to have been accurate, giving a birth year of 1880. In the 1911 census his address was Fore Street, Bridestowe, and his employment was as a platelayer with the L.S.W. Railway (London and South Western Railway).
Albert was mobilized from the Reserve on 4th August 1914 and served in the U.K. until being promoted to Sergeant on 1st April 1915 and being sent to the B.E.F. in France on the same date where he was posted to the Lahore Divisional Ammunition Column. He returned to "base" on 22nd September 1917. This may indicate he had been wounded and hospitalized as on 15th July 1918 he was transferred to the Labour Corps (611269). He served with 22nd Prisoner of War Company Labour Corps for three months before being posted to the 349th PoW Company Labour Corps on 29th October 1918. These companies could be used for labour providing they were out of range of enemy artillery. The British soldiers were known as "prisoner escorts". He was promoted to acting Company Sergeant Major with the 349th PoW Company on 7th January 1919. Albert was transferred to the Reserve on 21st February 1919 when he gave his address as Fore Street, Bridestowe, Devon.
He died at Ramsgate in July 1935. He had been a packer on the Southern Railway. He "had lived at Bridestowe for many years" where he was also a member of the Bridestowe British Legion.
The medals in the photograph could be the Queen's South Africa and King's South Africa medals.
He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, The British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Howard Barkell
Date: Tuesday 24th June 2014 at 7:44 AM

Dear Alan,

Thank you for such a prompt, comprehensive reply. I thought perhaps the medals were from the Boer War. He appears to have married in uniform. Perhaps as a Reservist he was entitled to do so. The bit about his working with prisoners of war is particularly interesting.

With many thanks.

Howard

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