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Posted by: Jeremy Thornton {Email left}
Location: France
Date: Wednesday 28th November 2012 at 8:05 AM
Alan,

I would like to know if there is any record of my maternal grandfather having served in the military during WW1 and if not why not. Nothing was ever mentioned about this in the family and I have not found anything while doing my family history research.
He was Rowland Rayner born in 1877 at Wyke in Yorkshire to William Rayner and Elizabeth Crowther. In the 1911 census he was resident at the Bulls Head pub in Ravensthorpe near Dewsbury Yorkshire and listed as a Licence Victullar. I know that he was also later a Commision Agent. Niether of these occupations would have exempted him from conscription in 1916 I suspect, so even though he was only 39 years of age in 1916 why was he not called up then, or later when the age limit was raised? Any ideas?
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 28th November 2012 at 5:10 PM

Dear Jeremy,
It is not possible to state with certainty whether someone served in the services in the First World War as the surviving records are not complete. More than nine million men and women served in the British armed forces during the First World War although their service records are not centralised so searches need to be made of Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Royal Air Force, Fleet Air Arm, Nursing services and Army records for the period before and during the war. Records for those who served after 1920 or who later served again in the Second World War are not in the public domain. Of potentially seven million Army service records from the First World War only 2.8 million survived the bombing of the war office repository in Arnside Street on September 8th 1940 during the blitz and many of those have been damaged.
Effectively, there is only a 40 per cent chance of a record having survived.
The records are generally indexed online by stated year of birth and address on enlistment. At The National Archives at Kew, Surrey, England, they are on microfilm indexed by surname and forename range.
A more complete set of records is the Army medal rolls index which lists some 5.5 million campaign medal records for men who saw active service overseas. Men who served in the UK are not listed. These records rarely provide biographical information so it is not possible to identify an individual unless you already know his regiment and regimental number.
As at December 24th 1915 there were 5 million men of military age of which 2.1 million had yet to make themselves available, so before compulsory service in March 1916, only 3 out of five men volunteered to join the army while 428 thousand (nearly one in ten) had been rejected on medical grounds (Lord Derby's Report; Dec. 1915). Compulsory conscription absorbed those who became 18 years old among the men of military age and the highest age limit rose from 41 to 50 years with the Military Service Bill of April 1918 when the Government held the option to enlist men over 50 but not over the age of 56 if required.
The most reliable primary sources of evidence for service in the First World War are usually from private or family papers.
Kind regards,
Alan




Posted by: Jerry
Location: Canada
Date: Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 10:12 PM
Hello

I ran across your site recently and I'm amazed at the wonderful and timely responses you are able to provide. I am trying to find information about my grandfather, Private Evan John Edwards (#372328) who was in 1st/1st West Riding Field Ambulance. My understanding is that this was part of the 49th Division (Territorial Army). He survived the war, but the family doesn't have any details about the activities of that unit. If you have any further insight into that, or any information about him, please let me know. Thanks.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 28th November 2012 at 5:09 PM

Dear Jerry,
No individual service record has survived for Evan John Edwards so it is not possible to state his military service precisely. An Army medal rolls index card recorded his as private Evans Edwards 372328 Royal Army Medical Corps. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not go overseas until some date after January 1st 1916.
The 49th (West Riding) Division, with the 1st/1st West Riding Field Ambulance RAMC arrived in France in the second week of April 1915 and by 19th April 1915 the 49th Division had concentrated in the area of Estaires; Merville and Neuf Berquin. It is not possible to state when Evan Edwards arrived in France, but he was apparently part of a draft of reinforcements sent at some date after January 1st 1916. He may well have been compulsorily conscripted in 1916 or later.
The 1st West Riding Field Ambulance traced its origins to the expansion of the part-time Volunteer Medical Staff Corps in 1888 from five city divisions to a sixth which was formed in Leeds and became known, in 1892, as the Leeds (Volunteer) Medical Staff Corps. In 1902 it became the Leeds Company RAMC (Volunteers). In 1908 at the creation of the Territorial Force the Leeds company supplied the greater part of the new 1st West Riding Field Ambulance with ten officers and 220 other ranks.
At the outbreak of war in August 1914, the 1st West Riding Field Ambulance was mobilized and trained in South Yorkshire and Lincolnshire before sailing for France on April 12th 1915. It was commanded by Lt-Col A.E.L. Wear RAMC.

In 1916, the 49th (West Riding) Division was engaged at The Battle of Albert; The Battle of Bazentin Ridge; The Battle of Pozieres Ridge and The Battle of Flers-Courcelette on the Somme. In 1917 they took part in the abortive Operation Hush on the coast of Flanders and The Battle of Poelcapelle during the Third Battle of Ypres. In 1918 the Division fought at The Battle of Estaires; The Battle of Messines; The Battle of Bailleul; The First and Second Battles of Kemmel Ridge; The Battle of the Scherpenberg; The pursuit to the Selle and The Battle of the Selle and The Battle of Valenciennes. The 49th Division was at Douai on 11 November 1918.

The war diary of the 1st West Riding Field Ambulance is held at The National Archives at Kew, Surrey, in catalogue reference WO 95/2788.
Kind regards,
Alan


Posted by: Jeremy Thornton {Email left}
Location: France
Date: Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 9:59 AM
Alan,

In the past you helped me with information concerning my grandfather Vernon Thornton. I would now like to know more about his brother Julian Thornton who was born in 1884 (I do not have the exact date) in Dewsbury, Yorkshire to Robert Thornton & Louisa Ann Field. His Short Service Attestation indicates that he signed up on the 7th June 1916 in Liverpool and joined the Liverpool Regt. His Regt number was 358240 and he was awarded the Victory and British medals. Do you have any more information and any indication as to why when he signed up, which was at the same time as his brother, when both were working together in the family business in Dewsbury, Vernon went into the KOYLI and Julian Went into the Liverpool Regt? Julians medal roll index card say the he was A/Sgt. This I persume is acting sgt and was his rank upon discharge although the discharge date is not identified on the index. I know he survived as he eventually became the head of the family rag auctioneers business in Dewsbury and i remember him well from my youth.

Thank you in advance for any additional inrormation that you can come up with such as where he may of served, port of embarkation/disembarkation, training camps etc.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 6:14 PM

Dear Jeremy,
Julian Thornton enlisted under the Derby Scheme on 9th December 1915. The Derby Scheme was a last call for men who had yet to volunteer to do so before compulsory conscription. The deadline was 12th December 1915. Men who enlisted under this scheme put their names down but returned to their homes the same day to await call-up in 1916. Julian Thornton was called-up on 2nd June 1916, by which time compulsory conscription had put an end to any choice of regiment. He was posted to "C" Company of the 2/10th (Scottish) Battalion The King's (Liverpool Regiment) on 7th June 1916 with the regimental number 7359. He was later re-numbered 358240. The Battalion trained at Mytchett in Surrey until September 1916 when it moved to Blackdown Camp, Surrey. The battalion went to France from Southampton via Havre on the night of 19th February 1917 where it served with the 172nd Infantry Brigade in the 57th Division at Le Tilleloy. The Division then remained in France and Flanders and took part in The Second Battle of Passchendaele (26 October - 7 November 1917). He was appointed a paid lance-sergeant on 26th January 1918 and was an acting sergeant while another sergeant was in hospital. On 7th February 1918 he was attached to the 1st Army Musketry School at Matringhem, France. (He held a 2nd Class Musketry Certificate) for three weeks. At the end of February he was granted leave until 27th March 1918. At the beginning of May 1918, the 2/10th Battalion King's Liverpool Regiment was absorbed by the 1st/10th Battalion King's Liverpool Regiment serving with 166th Infantry Brigade in the 55th Division.
The 1/10th Battalion then fought at The capture of Givenchy craters (24 August); and The capture of Canteleux trench (17 September). (The Defence of Givenchy was to become the single most famous action that the Division fought.) It then fought at The pursuit to Mons, in the Final Advance in Artois (2 October - 11 November) in which the Division occupied La Bassee (2 October), crossed the Haute Deule Canal (14-16 October) and captured Ath (9th November). The Division had advanced 50 miles in 80 days.
Julian was demobilized on 19th February 1919.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jeremy Thornton
Date: Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 6:34 PM

Alan,

As always just brilliant information, one wonders how you manage to do it! Fantastic.


Posted by: David Jl Fleck
Location: Davidfleck Btinternet Com
Date: Monday 26th November 2012 at 2:35 PM
Thank you so much for your prompt reply oncerning my paternal grandfather ,I have another one or you now .Bertie James Fulcher born Norwich 9.10.1883 .sadly there are no members of my mothers family left whom I can ask ,I was told that he did not serve in the armed forces during world war 1 as he was a reserved occupation so you may not have any record of him .THANK YOU.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 26th November 2012 at 9:44 PM

Dear David,
The latest record for Bertie Fulcher born 1883 Norwich was the 1911 census which recorded him as a butcher's shop assistant living at Southend on Sea. He appears to have married Florence Louise Bethley in 1908 at Rochford district, Essex. If he did not serve in the forces there would be no forces' records for him. "Reserved occupations" in the First World War were, strictly, those occupations that were legally reserved from call-up, such as munitions workers, where factory owners were not permitted to release men who were in "reserved occupations". However, numerous trades were "starred occupations" where the pink occupation registration card created in August 1915 was marked with a black star to indicate the jobs were considered to be of national importance. By December 20th 1915, the proprietors, managers, and slaughtermen of retail butchers' shops, as well as those employed in the wholesale meat trade, cold stores and bacon curing, were considered "starred occupations" and exempt from compulsory conscription.
Kind regards,
Alan


Posted by: Bxf {Email left}
Location: Uk
Date: Monday 26th November 2012 at 2:27 AM
Hi,
I am looking for further info on Gunner 'Samuel Ewart Enion' - RFA , 15th BDE 162241. KIA 8th May 1917 and buried at Bois Carre Cemetary (CWGC).
His war record doesn't appear to have survived but any further insight re more specific details into his movements and battles would be most gratefully received.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 26th November 2012 at 5:40 PM

No individual service record has survived for Samuel Ewart Enion so it is not possible to state his wartime service in detail. An Army medal rolls index card showed he served overseas in the Royal Field Artillery as a gunner. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not go abroad until some date after January 1st 1916. When he was killed on May 8th 1917, he was serving with "A" Battery of 15th Brigade (XV Brigade) Royal Field Artillery at Vimy Ridge in France.
"A" Battery of XV Brigade had joined XV Brigade from 28th (XXVIII Brigade) Brigade on 21st January 1917 and became A Battery of XV Brigade. 28th Brigade had served with the 6th Division until January 1917. In 1916 they had fought at The Battle of Flers-Courcelette; The Battle of Morval; and The Battle of Le Transloy, which were all on the Somme.
XV Brigade RFA served with 5 Division. In 1917 the Division had been moved from the Somme to a quieter line near Festubert. In April 1917 the Division took part in the Battle of Vimy in which the ridge was taken by the Canadians. Samuel Enion was killed on May 8th 1917 and is buried at Bois Carre British Cemetery at Thelus on Vimy ridge.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Bxf
Date: Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 12:41 PM

Hello Alan,
Just to say many thanks for insight you very kindly supplied. Your help is much appreciated.
Best regards,
bxf


Posted by: Joyce {Email left}
Location: Rotherham
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 8:10 PM
Hi alan my father was charles henry lindley born about1893 he was a privateinthe yorks&lancs reg.
he was wounded in france in w.w.1
He was discharged he then went into the home gaurd in w.w11
i would be greatful for any information
thank you
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 9:27 PM

Dear Joyce,
No individual service record has survived for Charles Henry Lindley so it is not possible to accurately state his wartime service. An Army medal rolls index card showed a Charles H Lindley served with the York and Lancaster Regiment with the regimental number 240064. That number was allotted to the 5th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment. Charles H Lindley arrived in France on 13th April 1915 which was the date the 5th Battalion went to France so it seems likely he may have served with the 5th Battalion but there is no further evidence for that.
The 5th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment was based at Rotherham and trained at Doncaster, Gainsborough and York with the 148th Infantry Brigade in the 49th Division. They went to France in April 1915. The Division's wartime engagements can be seen at:
http://www.1914-1918.net/49div.htm

Charles H Lindley's war service ended as a Corporal on 10th February 1919. He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
Kind regards,
Alan


Posted by: David Jl Fle Thank You Ck {Email left}
Location: Lancing West Sussex
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 6:19 PM
Can you help please I would like to know more about my grandfathers service in world war 1 .I have been told he was Royal Engineers his name was Middleton Fleck born Newcastle upon Tyne circa !887
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 8:28 PM

Dear David,
Middleton Fleck joined the part-time Territorial Army when it was created in 1908. He enlisted in the Northumberland Divisional Telegraph Company of the Royal Engineers on May 11th 1908 at Newcastle-upon-Tyne. In 1913 the unit took the title Signal Company instead of Telegraph Company. He remained with them when war was declared in August 1914, and was mobilized on August 5th 1914. The unit's wartime stations in 1914 were on the Tyne Defences as part of the 50th (Northumbrian) Division. In early April 1915 the Division was warned that it would go overseas and The Signals Company arrived in France on the night of 15th/16th April 1915 with the 50th Division. By 23 April 1915 the Division had concentrated in the area of Steenvoorde. It arrived as the enemy had attacked Ypres, using chlorine gas for the first time. The Division was hastily sent into the battle and then fought at The Battle of St Julien; The Battle of Frezenburg Ridge; and The Battle of Bellewaarde Ridge; which were part of the Second Battles of Ypres 1915.
Middleton's term of engagement with the Territorials ended on May 11th 1916, after eight years. He returned to the UK on May 16th 1916.
On 25th October 1916 Middleton was called-up again under compulsory conscription and served with the 2/6th Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) at Terling in Essex and then Kilworth in County Cork in Ireland from January 1917. In August 1917 Middleton was sent to France where he served at a base depot on the coast before being transferred to the Labour Corps on 7th October 1917. He initially served in 776 Area Employment Company Labour Corps. He stated he was a grave digger. On 2nd July 1918 was posted to the Graves Registration working parties also as a grave digger in the area near Bapaume. In December 1918 he was taken ill with pyrexia of unknown origin and was treated in hospital at Le Treport before being returned to the UK in January 1919. He was treated at the Military Hospital at Bagthorpe, Nottingham until March 1919 and was discharged from the army on 15th April 1919. He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
Kind regards,
Alan


Posted by: Tub {Email left}
Location: Kidderminster
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 4:47 PM
Hello Alan,
My wife's Great Uncle, Pte. Arthur William Moyes 12th.Batt. Suffolk Reg. was killed 6/1/1918. His name is on the Arras war memorial. I would like to find out where he was killed and what the action was.

Thank you for any help,
TuB
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 6:45 PM

Dear Tub,
No individual service record has survived for Arthur Moyes so it is not possible to suggest his military service. An Army medal rolls index card showed he had the regimental numbers 6084 and 201894 in the Suffolk Regiment. The latter number was allotted to the 4th Battalion Suffolk Regiment in March 1917. Arthur qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915, he did not go overseas until some date after January 1st 1916. "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) recorded that Arthur Moyes had foermerly been numbered 4244 in the Suffolk Regiment. It is not possible to say when he joined the 12th Battalion Suffolk Regiment. On the day he died he was serving with the 12th Battalion which was part of the 40th Division. The Division was in the area of Mory and Ervillers, between Arras and Bapaume at the time. Arthur was among nine men of the battalion who died on January 6th 1918.
To establish what the Battalion was doing on 6th January 1918 you would need to see their war diary which is only available at The National Archives at Kew in catalogue reference WO 95/2616/1.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Tub
Date: Sunday 2nd December 2012 at 1:06 PM

Dear Alan,
Thank you so much for the information. You have got me on track. Next stop - National Archives, Kew!
Once again, many thanks,
Regards,
TuB


Posted by: Peter {Email left}
Location: Poole
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 2:15 PM
Hello again Alan,
You may remember that I asked you about my grandfather John Nunn of the South Staffs some weeks ago, well I am back asking more questions of you. I am hopeful that you may be able to answer this one for me too.
I have come across a grand-uncle John Robert Carruthers (who's record is actually there in the archives!) who joined the Manchester Regiment on 17 November 1914 but was discharged on the 19 November 1914 under KR392(3)b. This states "not being likely to become an efficient soldier". What does this mean? A medical discharge I could understand but this seems a bit vague. I looked up the relevant regulation to see if that could give a clue but it is just as vague. The only thing I can think of is that John Robert was the son of a vicar so could this be the reason, as the recruiting officer perhaps thought that he lacked the necessary toughness to be a soldier? Seems a bit tough on him if it was. If you could give any other possible reasons I would be most grateful.
Many thanks.
Peter
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 6:44 PM

Dear Peter,
John Carruthers would have been discharged on medical grounds "having been approved by a medical officer but rejected by a recruiting officer" (King's Regulations para 392(3b)). His physical development was recorded as "fair". When he enlisted in November 1914, recruitment was at its peak and commanding officers had the rare opportunity of retaining the best recruits and combing out the weaker ones. Put simply, commanding officers took the pick of the crop and rejected the rest. The men they turned down were discharged without need for further medical examination as "unlikely to become an efficient soldier" which could cover a multitude of ailments from the need for spectacles to flat feet, ulcers and knee injuries. This type of discharge was particularly common in late 1914 when recruiting revealed a generally poor state of health of the nation and when recruiting officers could afford to be more selective in the men they retained.
Medically, John only just met the minimum requirements. He was 5ft 5ins tall which required a weight of 117 pounds with a chest measurement of 34 and a half inches with an expansion of two inches. John had the minimum chest measurement of 34 and a half inches with an expansion of two inches but was underweight at 112 pounds. His physical development was "fair" in the scale of "very good"; "good"; "fair"; or "poor".
It is conceivable he enlisted later in another regiment. After the Military Service Acts of 1916 which introduced compulsory service all medically-rejected men were subject to re-examination and if found fit could be called-up.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Peter
Date: Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 4:45 PM

Hi Alan,
Once again I thank you for your knowledge. I have to say that I thought that a certain amount of "cherry picking" of the recruits was the most likely answer but I was not sure if that would be the case.
One other thing, do you know of any companies that sell WW1 disposition maps? I would like to try to get the maps pertaining to the South Staffs but have been singularly unsuccessful in this on the net.
Peter
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 27th November 2012 at 6:26 PM

Dear Peter,
You would be very fortunate to find maps that showed a particular battalion's positions at any given date. You would need to study the war diaries of each individual battalion for any maps that were included with the diaries or to refer to the grid references stated in the war diaries and transpose those onto larger contemporary military maps. The South Staffordshire Regiment had 11 battalions that served overseas in the First World War in five different theatres of war.
The Western Front Association has published CD-ROM of military maps for the Somme and Ypres sectors from the period but military maps do not show individual battalions unless they have been over-written for a particular purpose at a particular date.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Peter
Date: Thursday 29th November 2012 at 12:07 PM

Hi Alan,
Thank you for pointing me in the right direction once again. I have been on the WFA website and I think they have just what I am looking for.
No doubt I will be back again in the future.
Many thanks
Peter


Posted by: Jonboy {Email left}
Location: Harlow Essex
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 1:47 PM
Hi Alan
Can you find out about my Great Uncle James Baron Staples Born in 1886 in Enfied Middx to:
George and Pracilla.in told he died in the Battle of the Sommes 16.10.1916.His Service No was :
17/2215 he liveed with Parents at 104 Murray Road,South Ealing,West London.I think someone
said he was a Rifleman.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 9:04 PM

Dear Jonboy,
It is not possible to trace James Baron Staples accurately. His regimental number 17/2215 suggests he enlisted in the 17th Reserve Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, which was a training battalion. When he died he was serving with the 14th Battalion RIR but it is not possible to say when he was posted to the 14th Battalion. "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) recorded him under the name of John Baron Staples and recorded he had first served as 17653 in the King's Royal Rifle Corps. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal, so he did not serve overseas until some date after January 1st 1916 as he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star. The 14th Battalion served with the 36th Ulster Division which fought at Thiepval on July 1st 1916, the first day of the Battles of the Somme but was relived on July 2nd 1916. James was killed on October 16th 1916 when the 14th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles was in Belgium, near Dranoutre and Kemmel.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jonboy
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 9:17 PM

Hi Alan
Many thanks thats a lot more info than before so im very happy with that.Can i just mention to everyone that may be
reading these requests and answeres as i do As this time of year is for giving i ask that could you please Donate
(no matter how small or large) to the British Legion who work so very hard and they realy do rely on Donations.Most
towns have got a Club so please just pop in and Donate something.
Many Thanks
Jonboy
Reply from: Scoops
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 11:15 PM

Hi jonboy, Have just found some info on your great uncle james baron f staples. The info states that he was kia October 16 th 1916 aged 31 and is buried at pond farm cemetery belgium.He was the son of george and pricilla grimald of [ Delmeny] Ethronvi road,beaxley heath.the info was found at www.bexley.gov.uk kind regards.scoops
Reply from: Scoops
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 11:48 PM

Hi jonboy, more info on your great uncle,further info states that his former number was 17653 k.r.r.c born in Enfield Middlesex.enlisted in Ealing and lived in South Ealing. Scoops
Reply from: Jonboy
Date: Sunday 25th November 2012 at 7:43 AM

Hi Scoops
Thanks ever so much on that one.my Mother once told me that she seemed to remember something about Burial in Belgium
and nowit all seems to fit in nicely.If only i was doing my Family Tree when my Parents were alive (even my Grandparents !)
could gather so much info then so many Uncles to look for still probaly take years.Thankyou so much.
Jonboy


Posted by: Bee {Email left}
Location: Barnsley
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 12:44 PM
Hi alan could you help me find Herbert Glover of Worsboro Dale, Barnsley. he was a private in the Yorks& Lancaster Regiment, 14/42.he was killed in action on the 25th of July 1916 in france. he was married to a Mary Elizabeth Grimshaw. born about 1885.sorry but i have no more information on him. would appreciate anything you could help me with.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 9:05 PM

Dear Bee,
No individual service record has survived for Herbert Glover so it is not possible to suggest his wartime service in detail. His regimental number showed he served with the 14th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment (2nd Barnsley) which was raised in November 1914 and trained at Penkridge Camp on Cannock Chase. In December 1915 the battalion was sent to Egypt on the Suez Canal defences and was then sent to France in March 1916 where it served with the 94th Infantry Brigade in the 31st Division. The Division served on the Somme and took part in The Battle of Albert (July 1-13th 1916) including the attack on Serre. See:
http://www.pals.org.uk/rees2.htm

Later in July the division moved to the area of Laventie and Richebourg in the Pas de Calais where they were in trench routine. Herbert Glover was killed on July 25th 1916 and is buried at Rue Du Bacquerot No1 Military Cemetery near the main Estaires to La Bassee road.
Kind regards,
Alan


Posted by: Kerry {Email left}
Location: Norfolk
Date: Friday 23rd November 2012 at 12:43 AM
Hi alan

im a total beginner at family research but wondered if you could help trace my great grandfather.his name is james frederick jones.i have my grandma,s birth certificate and on there it says he was a sergient with 20th middlesex regiment from 1915.could you tell me any details about him like were he served,any medals etc. i dont no if you could also tell me what date he was born and were.thanks
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 23rd November 2012 at 8:55 PM

Dear Kerry,
The only record for James Frederick Jones of the 20th Middlesex Regiment is a Silver War Badge roll which showed he enlisted on 31 May 1915 and was discharged on 13th May 1916 as no longer physically fit for war service through sickness. He was awarded a Silver War Badge for being discharged through sickness. The badge was to be worn on civilian clothes to indicate he had previously served in uniform. He did not serve overseas and did not qualify for any medals. No biographical information was recorded. His approximate age and the name of his father should be recorded on his marriage certificate.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Kerry
Date: Friday 23rd November 2012 at 9:42 PM

Thank you for the information


Posted by: Gsdean {Email left}
Location: Leeds
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 12:45 PM
My grandmothers brother was killed in action and I know some details but not much.
Walter Smith - Royal Field Artillery (881922)
Born - Leeds, 1887.
Died - 05/12/1917 and buried at Dozinghem .

Could anyone add more detail about his units action at that time?


Posted by: Albert Hollis {Email left}
Location: Rustington West Sussex
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 11:55 AM
To trace the service record of my late father in law. William Archibald Hearn Born 31-1-1899
Service record. East Surrey Regt----Grenadier Guards. Regt No 317(or4)13
Hon discharge 2 May 1919. Possible served Jerusalem. Died Bournemouth 8 August 1969
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 2:07 PM

Dear Albert,
William Archibald Hearn would have been conscripted at the age of 18 and he enlisted on 15th August 1917. He served overseas with the Grenadier guards with the regimental number 31713. He was discharged, wounded, on 2nd May 1919. Service records for the Grenadier Guards are still held by the regiment. Enquiries should be sent by post to: The Regimental Archivist; RHQ Grenadier Guards, Wellington Barracks, London SW1 6HQ.
A research fee, currently £30, is payable for each enquiry. Cheques should be made payable to the Regimental Adjutant Grenadier Guards. In the case of individual service records as much information as possible should be provided, including the service number if known.
Kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Albert Hollis
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 4:45 PM

£30.00 for info seems to me a little excessive. Anybody out there with an alternative solution?
Thanks in advance Regards Albert
Reply from: Albert Hollis
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 8:49 PM

Dear Alan. Wondered if we could go back a step to the time when W.A.Hearn first joined The East Surrey Regt.
Perhaps obtaining his records would be easier from this Regiment.
Regards Albert


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