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Posted by: Kez {No contact email}
Location: Sydney
Date: Tuesday 2nd December 2014 at 4:39 AM
Hello Alan, you have helped me in the past and am hoping you can advise me where to look for information. I am researching a Job Bailey born 1810 Somerset. In 1850 he was a Royal Marine at Portsea Island. He came to Australia in 1853.
My question please Alan is where would I look in England archives for anything on him in regard to his service
Thank you for your time,
Cheers Kez
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 2nd December 2014 at 4:43 PM

Dear Kez,
Service records for Royal Marines are held at the UK National Archives. For research advice, see:
The indexes can be searched online. There is one man named Job Baily. See:
folio 57-61
You can order a copy by seeking a quote for the reproduction etc.
The surname could be spelled Bailey, Bailley, Baily, Baillie.
The UK Naval medal rolls include the following entries for a Royal Marine named Job Bailey who is otherwise unidentified. He qualified for the Naval General Service Medal for action in Syria between 9th September 1840 and 9th December 1840 while a Marine on H.M.S. Bellerophon, captained by Charles Austen. The Naval G.S.M. was instigated in 1847 and was retrospectively awarded for various naval actions during the period 17931840.
He qualified for the China War Medal 1840-1842 on 21st July 1842 for service as a Royal Marine on H.M.S. Hazard commanded by Charles Bell. This was the medal for the First China War. The date, 21st July 1842 was the day the Battle of Chinkiang was fought between British and Chinese forces in Chinkiang (Zhenjiang), China, during the First Opium War.
For H.M.S. Hazard see:
For H.M.S. Bellerophon see the former H.M.S. Waterloo:
Bellerophon was a hero of Greek mythology who slayed monsters.
The vessels were connected with Portsmouth dockyard, which would relate to the Royal Marines' base at Fort Cumberland on Portsea Island.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Kez
Date: Tuesday 2nd December 2014 at 9:25 PM

Alan, once again you have helped me, I REALLY appreciate the information you have sent me. Many thanks.
Have a very happy & safe Christmas, it seems Sydney is in for a very hot one!
Cheers Alan, Kerrie
Posted by: Rob {Email left}
Location: Norwich
Date: Monday 1st December 2014 at 11:56 AM
Alan, good morning,

Please could you tell me if my grandfather's WW1 Army Service Records still exist? His details are, 84992 Serjeant G. D. Mills DCM MM, he was with the 34th Division, Royal Engineers as a signaller. I have the medal cards for his awards but there is no citation for the DCM.
Thank you in anticipation,
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 1st December 2014 at 4:44 PM

Dear Rob,
No individual service record has survived for George D Mills 84992 R.E.. The Military Medal was awarded in January 1918 for bravery in the field.
The D.C.M. was promulgated in the "London Gazette" in January 1920 without a citation, to be dated 5th May 1919. See the list entry at:
and the heading to the series of awards at the bottom of column one at:
This points to further research because the D.C.M. was awarded "in recognition of Gallant and Distinguished service in the field" under Army Order 193 of 1919.
That order is entitled: "Rewards for Officers and Soldiers for services in the field and for services rendered in captivity or in attempting to escape or escaping therefrom."
George Mills had been taken prisoner.
He was captured "Keine wunde von der Front" (unwounded at the Front) at Bullecourt on 21st March 1918 which was the day the German's launched Operation Michael that overwhelmed the British. He was taken, via Minden, to arrive at Munster I prison camp on 1st May 1918. He was sent from there to Senne (which was Sennelager) on 15th July 1918. See:
On the left of the page scroll down through the black listings to reach "Mills (Royal) Engineers (10). Click on that title. In the centre of the results page scroll down to his index card. Hover the mouse over the card and click on the red "more information about this person". With the index card now on the left, enter each of the two hand-written PA numbers in turn in the box on the right to go to the two admissions lists for the two camps. The lists have a date and name of camp at the top.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Rob
Date: Monday 1st December 2014 at 8:19 PM

Alan, good evening and thank you for your prompt reply.
I was fascinated by all this new information regarding the POW camps and thank you for the links.
The DCM was won whilst he helped to extricate his officer, Lt. Drake from some wire following a German shell bursting amongst the group of signallers who had just restored communication after various attempts had failed. The action is detailed in "The Thirty Fourth Division 1915-1919" by Lieut. Colonel J. Shakespear, pages 179 to 180. As you say, shortly after they were surrounded and captured. Grandfather is referred to in the text at G.E. Mills not G.D. Mills. My uncle (his son) has a box containing various WW1 items of grandfather's including a photograph of Lt. Drake, signed by him "Gratefully Yours" Drake, there are also some photographs of various troops at Cottbus and a POW show programme from the same camp, so perhaps he was there too.
Thank you once again for your time and trouble, I really appreciate it,
Best regards,
Posted by: Maureen Thomas {Email left}
Location: Leatherhead
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 4:26 PM
Hello Alan, I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for the military history for William Brant Bell but all I've been able to find was W Bell in the Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933. I know he's my William Bell because all the details match otherwise. He was born in Ontario, Canada, in 1889 and was a compositor. He signed up in Wimbledon, 20th February 1915, and joined the Royal Field Artillery. He was a volunteer and actually survived the war. The most important piece of information was missing though and that was his service number. Can you tell me where I'm likely to find that information and his military history please.

thank you
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 7:06 PM

Dear Maureen,
The few records that identified a man by his address or birthplace were the Army attestation papers and some pension records, not all of which have survived. They can be searched on the subscription website. However, there is not an obvious entry for William Bell in the Royal Field Artillery.
The Western Front Association holds an archive of 6.5 million pension record cards (PRCs) which are not available elsewhere. They charge an administrative fee for a manual search of the records. See:
Otherwise, the regimental number might be included in any surviving correspondence held by the family.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Maureen Thomas
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 9:10 PM

Thank you Alan for such a prompt reply. I already subscribe to and Find my Past but I've not found anything on either of them to help regarding more information on my ancestor William Brant Bell's military records, and I know for sure the family have no surviving correspondence so the Western Front Association may be the last resort, but I thank you very much indeed for your kind interest and for the information. It gives me one more avenue to search.
kindest regards
Posted by: George Davies {Email left}
Location: Newport Isle Of Wight
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 3:12 PM
Hi Alan, my father was in ww1 royal engineers and his number was470695 and was honourably discharged on 9th february 1918 and received the SAB.and the victory and british war medals, I am sure he also received the 1914/15 star but can find no record of it.

I believe he was in the teriitorials before enlisting, his unit was R,E,(T).1205 Spr.royal engineers, he lived in jarrow county durham at that time.

I hope you can help me with these questions

many thanks

george davies
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 4:58 PM

Dear George,
The Royal Engineers regimental number 470695 was allotted to sapper Ezekiel Davies. The six-digit number was allocated in 1917 when all Territorial soldiers were re-numbered. His previous number was 1205.
The number 470695 was within a batch of numbers ranging from 470001 to 472000 that was allotted to the Durham Fortress Companies of the Royal Engineers which consisted of the H.Q. and three works companies Numbered 1 & 2 at Jarrow and No. 3 at Gateshead, which were part of the North Eastern Coastal Defences. They were pre-war Territorials. They were later converted to Field Companies of the Royal Engineers and served overseas where they were re-numbered 526, 527 and 528 Field Companies.
No individual service record has survived for Ezekiel Davies so it is not possible to state in which of the companies he served, although the first two were from Jarrow. He was awarded the silver War Badge for being discharged on 9th February 1918 through sickness. The record showed he enlisted on 17th May 1915, so he would probably not have been a pre-war Territorial. He was discharged from 530 Reserve Company R.E. which was UK-based in Co. Durham. He would have been in that company while preparing for his discharge after being returned to the U.K. His medal rolls index card (indexed erroneously by as "Elekiel Davies" recorded he qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal, along with the silver War Badge.
Links to the service of each of the Field Companies are shown at:
Royal Engineer companies were comparatively small, increasing the likelihood of a man being named in their war diaries. The war diaries of the two Jarrow companies are available to download (£3.30 charge applies to each part) from The National Archives. 526 Field Co. is at:
and 527 Field Co. is in separate parts at:
With kind regards,
Reply from: George Davies
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 10:28 PM

Thanks very much for your help alan, would he have qualified for the 1914/15 star?
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 10:37 PM

Dear George,
It is not possible to say. His medal rolls index card and the rolls themselves do not record a 1914-15 Star. If he enlisted in the Army on 17th May 1915 he could have gone overseas before the end of the year but without an individual service record or medal card for the 1914-15 Star, it is to possible to say when he went overseas. I did search under his original R.E. regimental number but found nothing.
With kind regards,
Posted by: Liam {Email left}
Location: Hitchin
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 2:43 PM
Can anyone help please? I am trying to locate the medal index card of Pte. (Dvr) Thomas William Heath (also took on Heathwoor Heath/Woor Heathmoor throughout his service) he was In the Army Service Corps and his Army number appears to be M2/100634 (I already have his service papers) he was convicted of an army felony on 4 March 1919 at Central Criminal Court in London and sent to Wandsworth. Could he have been stripped of his medals or didn't recieve any (no mention of this in his service papers)

Any information would be appreciated

Best Regards

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 4:58 PM

Dear Liam,
Private T.W. Heathmoor, 100634, A.S.C. did not qualify for any medals because he did not serve overseas. He was a fitter who served at Grove Park and Camberwell, London, from May 1915 until discharged in 1919. To qualify for campaign medals a man had to serve overseas in a theatre of war. His service record showed he only served at "Home".
Second division prisoners were kept apart from more serious classes of offenders. They received more frequent letters and visits and they wore clothes of a different colour.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Liam
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 5:05 PM

Wow! Thank you very much Alan, this is wonderful :-)

Best Regards

Posted by: David Kilvington {Email left}
Location: Topcliffe
Date: Sunday 30th November 2014 at 12:36 PM
Hi, I need a little help researching one of my Great Uncles he was 52nd Coy., Machine Gun Corps (Infantry) and died in 22nd July 1917 and commemorated on Arras Memorial. I am trying to get the war diaries for his company from the National Archive only nothing comes up searching for 52nd Company. Do you have any idea what regiment, brigade, battalion I should search for, its all a bit confusing. I get one result that covers the time he was there and killed but the heading reads: 17 Division 52 Infantry Brigade (Described at item level). Brigade Machine Gun and covered 1 Feb 1916 to 28 Feb 1918. Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be much appreciated.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 2nd December 2014 at 12:53 AM

Dear David,
to downoad the war diary for £3.30 and
With kind regards,
Posted by: Jessica {Email left}
Location: St Albans
Date: Friday 28th November 2014 at 8:54 PM
Hello Alan
I am trying to trace my great great grandfather (Charles William Nottingham born about 1892-1894) for a school project. he is a driver on the 1911 census in 146 battery RFA. He was a sergeant with reg number 40219 in some ancestry documents with medals Star, Victory and British war medal.
Do you know how I can find out what he actually did in France? what brigade he belonged to and where they fought? I would be ever so grateful for any help thanks Jessica
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 2nd December 2014 at 12:32 PM

Dear Jessica,
Some time after the 1911 census, Charles William Nottingham became a bus conductor in London. He re-joined the Army on 9th October 1914 at Charlton Park where he trained with 5C Reserve Battery Royal Field Artillery. His previous service helped him become promoted to Sergeant. He went overseas to France on 25th July 1915 where he spent some time at Havre being treated for a septic wound to his ankle before being posted, on 17th September 1915, to the 80th Brigade Royal Field Artillery which served with the 17th Division.
The Division served in the south of the Ypres Salient. Early in 1916 they fought at The Bluff, south-east of Ypres along the Comines Canal.
The Division then moved south to the Somme. 80th Brigade was based in "Happy Valley" near a position known locally as "Gibraltar" and on 3rd July 1916 they moved to Carnoy. The battery was heavily shelled on July 12th and suffered 22 men wounded and two killed in the first two weeks of fighting on the Somme in 1916. Charles Nottingham was wounded by being shot in the right arm on July 18th 1916. He returned to England to be treated in hospital. The wound healed and on 11th November 1916 he returned to France. He passed through 21 Division's Ammunition Column to join 94th Brigade Royal Field Artillery on 20th November 1916.
In 1917, the 94th Brigade fought at The German retreat to the Hindenburg Line; The First and Second
Battles of the Scarpe and the flanking operations around Bullecourt in the Arras area. The Battery then moved with 21st Division to the Ypres sector where they fought at The Battle of Polygon Wood; The Battle of Broodseinde and The Second Battle of Passchendaele. In November they fought in the Cambrai operations.
Charles Nottingham was gassed on 7th November 1917. He was sent to hospital and returned to England for treatment at Carrington Military Hospital, Nottingham. He recovered and remained in the UK with 60th Reserve Battery Royal Field Artillery. He was discharged in February 1919.
He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Posted by: Safiyan {Email left}
Location: Pakistan
Date: Friday 28th November 2014 at 11:00 AM
Respected Sir/Madam
We are compiling history of Kuldana cantonment Murree Pakistan. In this regard we would like your valuable input in terms of experiences and photo memory of the time spend by the troops at this cantonment. Input will be included in the compiled book on History of Kuldana and also displayed in photo gallery being constructed here, which will be open to all delegations and visitors of Kuldana.
Looking forward for favourable response.
Posted by: Ian {Email left}
Location: St Albans
Date: Thursday 27th November 2014 at 12:10 PM
Can anyone help me trace the military history of a relative of mine. John Purchon trained with the KOYLIs at Strensall near York. This would be in the 1950s. I recall visiting for the passing out parade when I was very young. I also recall he was in Cyprus and Kenya but I have no other information, other than he came from Yorkshire. I think Badsworth but it could have been Emley.
Sadly John died a couple of years ago.
Reply from: Jeremy Thornton
Date: Friday 28th November 2014 at 7:06 AM

Try the KOYLI museum in Doncaster. i recently made a visit and they have fantastic information.
Posted by: Mary {Email left}
Location: Wirral
Date: Wednesday 26th November 2014 at 4:55 PM
Hi I have just been given what looks like a certificate it's from. Navy and Army canteen's to say thank you for work and wishing everyone happy nana would have been 14.when war broke out.can you tell me anything about these certificates etc.She was born in.Edinburgh.thank you...
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 2nd December 2014 at 4:32 PM

Dear Mary,
The Imperial War Museum states: "The Navy and Army Canteen Board (NACB), along with the Expeditionary Force Canteens, was a precursor to the NAAFI (Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes) set up in 1921. The NACB was formed in 1917 from an amalgamation of the Army Canteen Committee, the Canteen and Mess Society, Dickeson's and all other contractors that supplied the Army; the Admiralty also rapidly transferred its allegiance to the NACB, thereby centralising control of the canteen system within the Armed Forces. In March 1917 the extensive appointment of women under the NACB was sanctioned. The Local Education Authorities released 300 trained domestic economy teachers who were appointed as officers. The strength of the Corps in November 1918 was 12,000. After the Armistice eight officers and 500 members of the Queen Mary's Army Auxiliary Corps (QMAAC) in France were transferred to the NACB to carry on the canteen work for the Expeditionary Force Canteens during the dispersal of British troops in France. Two officers and 120 members worked with the Army of Occupation in Cologne."
See also:
With kind regards,
Reply from: Mary
Date: Wednesday 3rd December 2014 at 1:34 PM

Thank you very much for information very interesting.

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