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Posted by: Jim {Email left}
Location: Bexhill On Sea
Date: Tuesday 11th August 2015 at 10:51 AM
Hi Alan,
I am trying to find the site of the 188th Siege Battery RGA, part of the 53rd HAG during May 1918. The records show that the battery moved on the 12th May 1918 from Busseboom to a farmhouse in front of Oosthoek near St Eloi. I have visited this area and there is a Lower Oosthoek and Upper Oosthoek farm, but also a village called Oosthoek, would I be correct to assume that one of these farms was the site of the battery.

Also I have 96261 Gunner Henry Charles Perry, 188th Siege Battery RGA service record which states that he died of wounds in 17th Field Ambulance in France, but his medical record states that after being gassed he was taken to number 46 CCS outside provern, where he died and is buried in Mendingham Cemetry both in Belgium,grave ref X.D.19.

Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Jim
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 11th August 2015 at 6:39 PM

Dear Jim,
Unfortunately, I am not able to be more specific about the location of 188th Siege Battery RGA at Oosthoek.
The service record for Gunner Henry Charles Perry states he died of wounds (gas) in 17th Field Ambulance RAMC on 27th May 1918. I have not seen any record which mentions the 46th Casualty Clearing Station (C.C.S.). The 46th Casualty Clearing Station was located at Proven and created the Mendinghem Military Cemetery where it buried its dead. The cemetery was named in a style to match local Flemish place names but with army humour suggesting the Casualty Clearing Station was Mending Them.
Between May and July 1918 when the German offensive was at its height, field ambulances were posted to Proven to help cope with the number of wounded. Casualties were usually passed from a Field Ambulance to a Casualty Clearing Station en route to a hospital.
On the afternoon of May 16th 1918, the 17th Field Ambulance moved from Nine Elms (Brandhoek) to Mendinghem which was 500 yards from the village of Proven. The 17th Field Ambulance HQ established a Main Dressing Station at Mendinghem to deal specifically with gas cases only. They dealt with 93 gas cases on May 17th and 86 gas cases on May 18th. The next admissions were a few gas cases on May 22nd. On May 27th /28th 1918 the 11th Essex Regiment attacked to regain part of the line lost earlier by the 4th French Division. 17th Field Ambulance took in 90 casualties and there was what their war diary described as a heavy gas bombardment. It seems probable that as 17th Field Ambulance and 46th Casualty Clearing station were co-located at Mendinghem, Proven, West-Flanders, that the 17th Field Ambulance passed Gunner Perry to 46th C.C.S. where he died and was buried at Mendinghem Military Cemetery.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jim
Date: Tuesday 18th August 2015 at 10:37 AM

Hi Alan,

Thank you for help, I will make a donation to the Royal British Legion.

Jim

Posted by: Hazel Smith {Email left}
Location: Redruth
Date: Monday 10th August 2015 at 11:19 PM
Hi Alan
Have you any information on Stephen Washington Simmons Royal Garrison Artillery ...Gunner
number 146354 died 9th October 1918

Also R J Penhallurick Durham Light Infantry ..Private Number 1830 died 9th August 1917
Both buried in St Day Cemetry

Thankyou in advance for any information
Donation will be given to The RBL

Hazel
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 11th August 2015 at 4:13 PM

Dear Hazel,
Stephen Washington Augustin(e)(or Augustus) Simmons was the only son of Stephen Kelly Simmons, a mining captain, and his wife Susan (née Hawkey). He was born at Butte City, Montana, U.S.A. on 7th July 1891. He was educated at St Day School and became a butcher by trade. On the 5th April 1911 he enlisted in the Royal Field Artillery as a gunner with the regimental number 64596 in the 66th Battery RFA which served with the 4th Brigade RFA. The Brigade served in India from October 1912 initially with 3rd (Lahore) Division. The 4th Brigade RFA sailed from India and moved to France on 14th October 1914 and then came under the command of the 7th (Meerut) Division of the Indian Army from 17th October 1914 seeing action at Neuve Chappelle, Aubers, and Festubert. In December 1915 Stephen was invalided home suffering from exposure to the weather in the trenches. He recovered from his illness in the U.K. and on 17th July 1916 he was transferred to the Royal Garrison Artillery with the regimental number 146354, working with the anti-aircraft defences in London. He married Edith Jessie Dale at the church of St John, South Tottenham on 27th August 1916. He then moved, in August 1918, to Prees Heath Camp, at Whitchurch, Shropshire, where he was employed on gun laying with the 2nd Battery of 1st Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade. His wife, Edith Jessie gave birth to a son, Stephen Washington Charles Simmons, on 4th October 1918, just five days before Stephen.W.A. Simmons died of pneumonia as a result of active service. He died at the Military Hospital at Prees Heath Camp and was buried at Holy Trinity churchyard, St Day, Cornwall. His battery commander wrote that a great loss had been sustained in the battery by his death. He qualified for the 1914 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

R. J. Penhallurick was Richard John Penhallurick who was born at Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales, in 1877 (GRO Births, Newport, Monmouthshire, Richard John Penhallurick, Jan-Mar 1877, volume 11a, page 215). He was the son of a Cornish coal miner, who was described in the 1891 census as John Penlorrick, aged 36, born at Perranwell, Cornwall, and his wife, Mary Jane who was from Perranarworthal, Cornwall. At the age of 14, Richard was an assistant miner living with his parents at 8 Black Horse Court, Merthyr Tydfil. He was the couple�s eldest son of seven children.
Richard John Penhallwrick married a widow, Angelina Rodda, on 24th September 1905, at St Day, Cornwall. In the 1911 census he was recorded as Richard John Penhallurick, a 36 year old born at Newport Monmouthshire. He was a rock driller in a tin mine, living at Chapel Street, St Day.
On August 6th 1914, Richard Penhallurick underwent an Army medical examination at Truro. He stated he was born at Perranwell, Cornwall, and lived at Vogue Hill, St Day. He worked as a miner at the South Crofty mining company. His stated age was 40 years and eight months. He was 5 feet 9 and three-quarter- inches tall. He was posted to the 4th Battalion Duke of Cornwall�s Light Infantry at Truro, with the regimental number 1830, and his appointment was confirmed on 10th August. The 4th Battalion D.C.L.I. camped at Perham Down, on Salisbury Plain. While there Richard developed a cough and became so weak he could not carry his pack. He reported sick and was discharged from the Army on 4th October 1914 having served 60 days. He was diagnosed as having Tuberculosis which had first started to affect him in 1913 and he was declared medically unfit for further military service. He returned to work for 12 months but then became ill and could not work. He died of Tuberculosis (Phthisis) on 9th August 1917 aged 40 and was buried at St Day.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Hazel Smith
Date: Tuesday 11th August 2015 at 5:42 PM

You star Alan , Many thanks

Posted by: Stephen {Email left}
Location: Limerick
Date: Sunday 9th August 2015 at 11:42 PM
Hi Alan re the Post from Adrienne ref his relative in limerick ,
Date: Sunday 8th April 2012 at 2:03 PM. I am interested in his photo's of his relative in limerick. I have a large colllection of photo's of the Medics in limerick. there is also an album on line in the Welcome museum of the RAMC in Limerick in the New Barracks as it was called at the time. can you put me in touch with adrienne as Maybe we can exchange copies of photo's
Regards
Stephen
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 10th August 2015 at 11:15 AM

Dear Stephen,
I do not have access to e-mail addresses as they are protected under the Data Protection Act. Please see the instructions at the top of the page on how to contact someone.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Tess {No contact email}
Location: Newton Abbot Devon
Date: Sunday 2nd August 2015 at 6:56 PM
Hello Alan,
The Mid Devon Advertiser recently re-published a photo from December 1914 showing the lifebelt from SMS Gneisenau and 7 crew men from HMS Caernarvon who came from Newton Abbot, Devon. They are reported to be:
1. Pte Venning, RMLI; 2. AB Merchant; 3. AB Joslin; 4. an un-named RMLI; 5. AB Cockmain; 6. Sickbay steward WJ Lanniman and 7. AB Bennett.

I think 1 is George Jeffery Venning, b. 16 Feb 1891, enlisted Feb 1908, RMLI: Plymouth Division, Register Number: 14424, and in the census for Newton, but I can't pin down the others from Caernarvon's crew.

Do you know of a crew list of survivors from the action off the Falklands , please, so I can get their names right and then trace their history for publication.
Thanks
as ever,
Tess
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 2nd August 2015 at 10:50 PM

Dear Tess,
Crew lists for Royal Navy vessels of the First World War generally do not exist. The complement of a ship�s crew would change with each voyage and the centralised system of record keeping was based on the Registers of Seamen�s Services, which, when complete, was an individual log of a man�s service throughout his career. These were replaced with index cards in 1928. Those lists that have been published are generally created from numerous sources or from the casualty records of ships that were sunk.
The Registers of Seamen�s Services are available online through The National Archives and the subscription website, ancestry.co.uk. Both can be searched by place of birth, and other categories, but not by ship�s name, using the advanced search boxes.

The ship�s logs for HMS Carnarvon (correct spelling) from July 1913 and the incident of the sinking of the Seiner Majestät Schiff (His Majesty's Ship) SMS Gneisenau in December 1914 are available online at:
http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-05-HMS_Carnarvon.htm

The German squadron including the Gneisenau had earlier been responsible for the loss of the British ships, HMS Good Hope and HMS Monmouth, off the coast of Chile in The Battle of Coronel, on 1st November 1914. The German ships were pursued and the Scharnhorst, Nurnberg, Leipzig and Gneisenau were sighted off the Falklands on Tuesday December 8th 1914. The Scharnhorst, Leipzig and Gneisenau were sunk by the British Squadron under Vice Admiral Sturdee.

The seamen�s services can be searched online. See:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-service-records-1853-1923/
Where necessary, use the advanced search refinement from the results page to add place or year of birth.

AB was the rating of Able Seaman.
It appears that Lanniman was Laminan.
I have been unable to find a Cockmain, but the Royal Navy Good Conduct Medal rolls record an Able Seaman Henry Cockman, 11305, qualifying for the G.C.M. on 26rd March 1913 on HMS Carnarvon. The 1911 census does have a Henry Cockman of Newton Abbot, aged 20, single, son of Thomas and Elizabeth at home at 21 Waltham Road, occupation: Seaman R.N..

Of the 1,680 men named Bennett in the Royal Navy registers there were two Bennetts from Newton Abbot, but only one who served on HMS Carnarvon.
There were two men named Merchant from Newton Abbot, one of whom did not enter the service until 1917, but I have been unable to prove the other served on HMS Carnarvon.

The links to my search of the Registers of Seamen�s Services, located in series ADM 188 at The National Archives are below. You don�t have to download or pay for the records as the catalogue index gives names, dates and place of birth, year of entry and official number which can be compared with records on ancestry.co.uk. Many larger public libraries offer free access to the ancestry.co.uk website.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 2nd August 2015 at 10:51 PM

Alfred Lambert Joslin born Newton Abbot. He did serve on HMS Carnarvon
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6741856

Walter Thomas Merchant, born Newton Abbot 28 Aug 1893. Served from 1906
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6858352

Wilfred Mark Merchant, born Newton Abbot 29 July 1901 but did not serve until 1917
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6969791

Thomas Bennet born Newton Abbot 16 December 1884 did NOT serve on HMS Carnarvon
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6768118

Herman John Bennett born Newton Abbot 20 August 1893 DID serve on HMS Carnarvon
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7028840

William James Lamiman born Newton Abbot 15 July 1887. Served on HMS Carnarvon
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7122577
Reply from: Tess
Date: Tuesday 11th August 2015 at 4:00 PM

Thanks Alan,
That is a very useful response and saves me from the embarrassment of a major spelling error too!
I will do a bit more hunting now I have your leads.
Tess
Posted by: Alan {Email left}
Location: Edinburgh
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 5:07 PM
Hi, I was wondering anyone knows if there is an official difference between 'Killed in Action' and 'Died in the Field' on the WWI Army Returns form W. 3231 ?

Regards
Alan
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 7:30 PM

Dear Alan,
In theory there is no difference between Killed in Action and Died in the Field, the latter being rather more euphemistic and sometimes used by non-military sources. The three official descriptions of death were Killed in Action; Died of Wounds and Died. Died meant dying from a cause other than by military action, such as accident or disease.
There could be those who made some distinction between Killed in Action, where the man was actually killed in combat, and being killed while In the Field (i.e. in the forward area) by some other cause, such as explosion, accident, fire from own artillery, or faulty ammunition.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Alan
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 7:40 PM

Thanks for your fast response Alan.

I hadn't thought about it before but someone asked me this today and I found it difficult to find anything online to differentiate between them.

Regards
Alan
Posted by: Bella {No contact email}
Location: Esher
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 3:49 PM
Dear Alan,

In all the "excitement" of you having found the information I was struggling with, I forgot to mention that James junior was in fact my great grandfather who married Jane Corke and they had 8 children whom my father never mentioned! I have a lovely picture of him and his wife with their last but one daughter Alice and my grandfather Frank in the arms of his mother who was a baby of 2.standing outside Warren Cottage, Otford, Kent. James definitely was a farm labourer and died in 1914 aged 76, not a bad age for that time.

Thank you again.

Bella
Posted by: Sharon Hannant {Email left}
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 2:59 PM
Hi Alan. I am researching my family tree and I am amazed at the many military connections I am coming across. I have recently found a great uncle who was much loved by the family - but his grave was unknown to us. Through a lot of hard work, I found where his grave was and even obtained a photograph of it. The family are delighted - sadly his sister, who adored him, has passed away, as they would have brought some comfort to her. Anyway, the Ryton and War District memorial Project listed his father as serving in the Gordon Highlanders during ww1, which matches with family recollection, yet I am finding it hard to find any details of him. I do not have a service number for him, but his name was Thomas Dodds, born in 1866 in Morpeth in Northumberland. He was married to Elizabeth (nee Appleby) and was living in Stargate Ryton on Tyne , Durham. I have a death recorded as Sep 1916 but whether military or not I don't know. I appreciate that there isn't much information to go on, but if you can help in any way I would really appreciate it. Many Thanks, Sharon
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 6:45 PM

Dear Sharon,
Unfortunately, there is no surviving military record for a Thomas Dodds serving with the Gordon Highlanders in the First World War that can be identified without knowing his regimental number. The death registered in September 1916 was a civilian death record for a Thomas Dodds at Gateshead District (GRO Deaths, Gateshead, July to September 1916, Volume 10a Page 996). The actual certificate would give his cause of death. It is possible Thomas Dodds served only in the UK during the First World War as he was 50 years old.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Sharon
Date: Thursday 20th August 2015 at 9:47 AM

Hi Alan. Thanks for the information. I have no service number for him so I guess I have come to a dead-end here. I would like to ask whether you have any details about the second Boer war. I have a great, great, great uncle who served in the Highland Light Infantry 1st Battalion service number 4204. His name was William Hannant, and he was taken prisoner at Dewetsdorp on the 23 November 1900. That's all I know about him. I would love to know a little more about him. Grateful for any information you may have, or where I could search for information. Thank you Sharon
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 20th August 2015 at 3:03 PM

Dear Sharon,
No service record appears to have survived for Private William Hannant. He served in the 1st Battalion The Highland Light Infantry which was a regular army battalion. The Battalion was sent to Malta in 1895 as part of the island garrison. In 1899 it was sent to South Africa.
William Hannant was taken prisoner at Dewetsdorp. Dewetsdorp was a village (dorp in Dutch) established by Field-Cornet Jacobus Ignatius de Wet who was the father of a Boer general Christiaan Rudolph de Wet. This was a railway stop and town in the Orange Free State which the British occupied briefly on March 28th 1900. On April 2nd the British occupiers marched to Reddersburg but they were ambushed by the Boer commandos. On 25th April 1900 Dewetsdorp was again occupied by the British and in the next seven months the town was surrounded by defensive trenches and was garrisoned by the 1st Highland Light Infantry with the 2nd Battalion The Gloucesterhsire Regiment; Mounted Infantry and two artillery pieces of the 68th Battery Royal Field Artillery.
On 19th November 1900 the Boer commandos attacked the town and after capturing a British outpost at Lonely Kop the Boers started firing shells into Dewetsdorp. On November 22nd the garrison was all but cut off and on November 23rd its commander surrendered to the Boers. The British lost 14 men killed; 75 wounded and the rest taken prisoner. After a few days the prisoners were released on December 4th 1900.
For the Highland Light Infantry operations in South Africa, see:
http://www.angloboerwar.com/unit-information/imperial-units/560-highland-light-infantry
William Hannant qualified for the Queens South Africa Medal with clasps for Paardeberg; Wittenbergen and Cape Colony; and the Kings South Africa Medal with clasps 1901 and 1902.
In 1903 the 1st Battalion H.L.I. went to Egypt and in 1904 they went to India for ten years until the outbreak of the First World War.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Sharon
Date: Friday 30th October 2015 at 11:02 AM

Hi Alan. Forgive me for not having replied sooner. Thank you so much for the information regarding my ancestor William Hannant. I have come across a stumbling block very recently in my family history research and I was wondering if you could help. My paternal grandma had a sister named Dorothy, whether younger or older I am unsure, but my instinct tells me younger, who was abandoned in Leeds Station as a baby, grew up in the workhouse, went into service at 13 years of age and was said to have died - as far as the rest of the family were concerned that's what had happened. I don't know why she was abandoned. There are many possibilities. She only found out she had a sister in c1940. This information was retrieved from a letter Dorothy wrote in secret to another member of the family. I am assuming that her discovery at the station was reported to the police, I have tried finding a police report or newspaper article but have had no success. I am presuming that this occurred sometime during the first world war, but again I am not sure. Why did she have to go into the workhouse, and not be put up for adoption into another family? Were her parents traced? Her mothers' name was Lily Hewson (born Bullock), her fathers' name was Arthur Hewson (if he was her father). I don't know if this helps, but I really want to know more about my great aunt and her sad story, and maybe understand why her mother would abandon her child like this.
with kind regards
Sharon
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 30th October 2015 at 1:46 PM

Dear Sharon,
Records of the Leeds workhouses are held by the West Yorkshire Archive Service and include Guardians' Minutes (1844-1930); Admissions and discharges (1843-7); Adoptions register (1895-1948); B*stardy register (1844-1930). Records which are not more than 100 years old may remain closed. See:
http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-leeds.asp
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Bella {No contact email}
Location: Esher
Date: Wednesday 29th July 2015 at 6:50 PM
Dear Alan,

Several times you have very successfully helped me with tracing members of my maternal and paternal ancestors for which I am eternally grateful. one member in particular my Great Great Grandfather, James Johnson who was born in Eynsford, Kent in the district of Farningham in 1812. He married an Elizabeth Haines/Haynes at St.Mary Cray, Kent about 1833 and I think they had 4 children. And that's it. I can't seem to find anything more about them, what his occupation was, although am guessing farm labourer, where they resided, although my Great Grandfather (also James) was born in Eynsford. where and when he and his wife resided and died.

Any chance you may be able to shed a chink of light?

With kind regards.

Bella
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 2:21 PM

Dear Bella,
It is good to hear from you again. The usual caution applies that the results from a desktop search should be checked with original documents wherever possible. There were two men named James Johnson born at Farningham, Kent, between 1810 and 1814. Both married women named Elizabeth. The one born in 1814 did not have children until 1844, so the other seemed more likely as his first child was born in 1834, a year after his marriage. His age varied widely in the censuses but he appears to have been James Johnson, born on 15th April 1810 and baptised at Farningham, church of St Peter and St Paul, on 8th July 1810, the son of Joseph Johnson and his wife Amey.
James Johnson married Elizabeth Haines on December 1st 1833 at St Mary Cray, Orpington, Kent.
Their first child was Maria Johnson, baptised 8th June 1834 at Eynsford. The second daughter was Mary born in 1836. The first son, James, was born in 1838; the second son, William was born in 1839; Henry was born 1841; Charlotte 1847; and Alfred in 1851.
In 1841 and 1851, James and his family lived at Goodwins Yard, Eynsford Street, Eynsford, where he was an agricultural labourer. In 1861, the address was described as Goodwins Cottage, Eynsford Street, Eynsford.
In 1871, a James Johnson, widower, aged 50, lived at Kidds Cottage(s), Eynsford. While his age should have been 60, he could be identified by his daughter, Maria Best, who had married William Best on 6th November 1866 who lived at the same address with their children, John (3) and Clara (0).
In 1881, a James Johnson, with a stated age of 76, was a farm labourer, living at 4, Alms Houses, Eynsford. He appears to have died in 1884.
Of his children it is interesting to note that in 1851, his first son, James junior, born 1838, was an agricultural labourer, living as a boarder at Park House, Eynsford, in the household of William Johnson, unmarried, a farm bailiff, born Kingsdown, Kent, about 1788. He may or may not have been a relative.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Bella
Date: Thursday 30th July 2015 at 3:01 PM

Dear Alan,

A wizard is what you are! Like my hairdresser - always comes up with the goods!

Thank you so very much for all your efforts, it is greatly appreciated.

Hope you are keeping well and you have a good weekend.

With kind regards.

Bella
Posted by: Gerry {Email left}
Location: Ireland
Date: Tuesday 28th July 2015 at 3:01 PM
Hi Alan.

I have traced my wife's G'Dad Thomas Fitzgerald 4th Hussars MGC 9580-52551 and his medal index card, also his brother Gerald (607532) of the 8th Hussars. Both came through the war in one piece but I'm trying to find information on Thomas dob 7/10/1894. I first found that he was in the army through his employment record with the Guinness Brewery, it gave his unit details but no army number and we are assuming this is our man. Would it be possible to find this link through army records ie place of birth, or where he enlisted.

Regards
Gerry
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 28th July 2015 at 8:04 PM

Dear Gerry,
The Army medal rolls do not provide any biographical information so it is not possible to positively identify a soldier from them alone unless his regiment and regimental number are already known. There were two medal records for men named Thomas Fitzgerald who served in the Hussars. One served in the 10th Hussars. The other served in the 4th Hussars and was transferred to the Cavalry Machine Gun Corps on 26th August 1916. There were some 26 Machine Gun Cavalry Brigade Squadrons raised in February 1916. See:
http://www.1914-1918.net/mgccav.html
Only the medal cards are immediately available so the two men cannot be further identified by place or date of birth. The Thomas Fitzgerald, 9580 4th Hussars, entered France with the 4th Hussars on 15th August 1914, so he would have been a regular soldier at the outbreak of war. There is further evidence for this as he was transferred to the B Reserve on 8th January 1920 which suggests he had completed seven years with the Colours and was to spend five years in the B Reserve to complete 12 years with the Colours. He would have been paid three shillings and sixpence a week while in the B Reserve. It is therefore possible his service record is still held by the Ministry of Defence as records for men who served after 1920 were retained by them. For a fee of GBP 30 the M.o.D. will conduct a search and disclose certain information to the next-of-kin of a deceased soldier, or to a general enquirer. See:
https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records
The other Thomas Fitzgerald who served in the 10th Hussars became a corporal and had been conscripted on 21st June 1917 and was discharged on 25th April 1919 through wounds or sickness. On the War Badge roll his age was stated as 36 when he was discharged so he would have been born in 1882/3.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Nanellen {Email left}
Location: Thatcham Berks
Date: Sunday 26th July 2015 at 11:23 AM
Sorry, in my last message I forgot to give accurate details of my grandfather in the British army. He bacame William Wallace to join up because he was on the run!
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 26th July 2015 at 7:52 PM

Dear Nancy,
Unfortunately it has not been possible to find any records for William or W. Wallace that identify where he served in France. The soldier who called himself William Wallace, stated he was born at Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, on 7th August 1888 (or 1886). He was 5ft 9ins tall, with a swarthy complexion; brown eyes and dark brown hair. He enlisted at Newhaven, Sussex, on 11th August 1914 and joined an unidentified unit of the Royal Field Artillery as a gunner, with the regimental number 80275. Shortly after enlisting, he went to France on 14th September 1914. He would have been wounded or suffered sickness in about 1916 as he was transferred to the Labour Corps at some stage, with the regimental number 299999. He would have been with the 35th Reserve Battery when returning from France probably in 1916 and before being transferred to the Labour Corps after recovering from wounds or sickness. He was transferred on 28th November 1918 to the P Class Reserve which meant he was better employed in civilian work, probably as part of a demand for the return of miners to Britain. On February 10th 1919 he was discharged as: surplus to requirements having suffered impairment since entry into the service. He had served four years and 110 days.
717 Company Labour Corps was formed from 7th Labour Company of the Army Service Corps in 1916 and served under Third Army in France and Flanders.
William Wallace qualified for the 1914 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
In 1930 William Wallace appears to have changed his name permanently to William Wallace stating he was born 7th August 1888 at Charlottetown, the son of Robert Edward Wallace (sic), engineer, and Emily Wallace née Orchard.
In the 1901 Census of Canada, Wallace White, born 7th August 1886 (sic), was recorded at Charlottetown, West Queens, Prince Edward Island, as the 14 year old son of Emmely White, born 16th September 1860 and her husband Robert White, born 4th May 1848, a fireman (probably a railway fireman).
In the 1910 Census of the United States of America there was a Wallace W. White who was a private soldier; single; aged 22; born Canada (about 1888) residing at Fort Porter at Buffalo.
He had entered the U.S. in 1906 and had enlisted in the U. S. Army on December 1st 1909 at Fort Slocum, New York. He stated he was a miner aged 22 and three months on enlistment. He had brown eyes, dark brown hair and a ruddy complexion. He was 5ft 9ins tall. He served with the 29th Infantry Regiment which, in 1909, was on garrison duty in New York State, where it remained until 1915 when it was dispatched to Panama to guard the Panama Canal. This soldier, Wallace White, deserted on August 11th 1910 (U.S. National Archives and Records Administration via ancestry.com).
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 26th July 2015 at 11:03 PM

Emily Wallace had a maiden name Emily Orchard according to William Wallace. The silly symbols in the reply above are irrelevant.
Reply from: Nanellen
Date: Monday 27th July 2015 at 12:56 PM

Alan,
I am absolutely blown away by the amount of information you have given me here. We have been trying for months now, with very little success, and you managed all this, even his American army career, and all in just 45 mins! Amazing!
Thank you so, so much for your help, and you can be sure that the British legion will be receiving a large, well deserved donation.
Thank you again.
Nancy.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 27th July 2015 at 11:02 PM

Dear Nancy,
Thank you for donating to the Royal British Legion. It makes all the research worthwhile.
With kind regards,
Alan

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