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Posted by: Suemsmith {Email left}
Location: Sheffield
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 1:57 PM
Dear Alan

May I presume upon you again? This time, my Grandmother's younger brother:

Joseph Hugh Brassington aged 19
Son of Hugh and Sarah Anne Brassington, Dove Street, Ellastone
Born 17 July 1898 - Ellastone, Staffs Died 22 July 1918 - France
North Staffs Reg 1st/5th Btn Private,
Service No 39116
Buried LE QUESNOY COMMUNAL CEMETERY, France, Grave reference II. C. 3

I have found his service record on Ancestry, but there are some areas which I cannot decipher and wonder if you might have more luck than I in making it out. I have also found his medal card.

Service Record (presume he came under Derby Scheme?)

2 March 1916. deemed to have been enlisted
23 Apr 1917 - Called up for service
28 Apr 1917 Posted
2/5th 24 Sept 1917 - posted
21 Mar 1918 Reported Missing
5th 31 Mar 1918 - Prisoner of War
Para in ms which I can't read ?Hospital ?

Home 28.4.17 16.9.17 147
France 17.9.17 20.03.18 185
21.03.18 124

Casualty Form Depot North Staffs Reg

Disembarked Boulogne ? 18/9/17
Depot joined Byher? 28/4/17
3rd North Staffs Proceeded to join BEF France Wallsend
A Co 3rd North Stafford Reg
Para in ms which I can't read
OC Unit Joined Unit Posted Coy D Field 4.10.19
OC Unit Missing Field 21 Mar 1918
War Office Prisoner of War

I wonder if there is anywhere I might find further information regarding his POW status?

Many thanks in advance

Sue
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 4:17 PM

Dear Sue,
Joseph Brassington did not volunteer but was conscripted as it stated at the top of his record of service "deemed to have been enlisted .under the provisions of the Military Service Act 1916". The Act effectively stated that every man aged 18 and not yet 41 was henceforth in the army and would be called-up when required. Jospeh was called up on 23rd April 1917 and on 28th April arrived at Byker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne to train with the depot (3rd Battalion) of the North Staffordshire Regiment at Wallsend. It was common practice for depot battalions to move away from their home locations, literally to make space in the depot barracks at Lichfield. Joseph went to France on or about 24th September 1917 and was posted to the 2nd/5th Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment which was serving in the 59th Division. However, when he died he was recorded by the CWGC as being in the 1st/5th Battalion, so it is not clear which battalion he remained with during his time in France. However, the two battalions fought alongside each other in 176th Infantry Brigade in the 59th Division so his war experience would have been similar whichever of the two battalions he was in. He arrived in the field on October 4th 1917. Reinforcements had to catch-up with a battalion when it was out on rest, rather than in the line. Joseph was reported missing and was taken prisoner on March 21st 1918 which was the opening day of the German Spring Offensive, at The Battle of St Quentin when a very large number of British were captured and held prisoner as the British Army retreated in disarray on that day.
The engagements of the 59th Division from September 1917 are detailed at:
http://www.1914-1918.net/59div.htm

Details of Prisoners of War are held by the Archives of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva but they are not currently accessible but will be made accessible online in August 2014. See:
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/article/other/archives-first-world-war-2011-07-27.htm

Joseph would have died as a prisoner on 22 July 1918 as he was buried at Le Quesnoy, which was in German occupation until November 1918. He might have been wounded and have been treated at a lazarett (German military hospital).
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Suemsmith
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 4:53 PM

Dear Alan

I'm very grateful to you again for your help, particularly this time in diciphering and understanding "Joe's" Service Record.

I will refer to the Red Cross in August.

Many thanks

Sue
Posted by: Jeremy Thornton {Email left}
Location: France
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 8:23 AM
Alan,

Last night I watched the repeat of a program on BBC4 called 'Reel History of Britain' It is presented by Melvyn Bragg and is about showing old cinema film. Last night it was about WW1 and on it was a lady whose ancester was the first Black officer. He had previously been the first Black football player in Britain and had joined the Pals football regiment as a Soldier, was made up to Sergeant and then Second Lieutenant, when he showed actrs of bravery leading his troop out into no-mans land and back without casualties. I believe he was killed in 1918.

What made me angry was that the ancester of this Black man said that at the end of the war, he was not awarded his rightful medals because of his colour. Also that even now, I am not sure when this was due to the porgram being a repeat, despite efforst by the family, the medals were still being refused. Shameful.

Do you know anything about this and if the family were ever sucessful in obtaining the rightful award of whatever medals were earned. In this day and age one would hope that this type of discrimination no longer exists.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 4:15 PM

Dear Jeremy,
An Army medal rolls index-card for Walter Daniel Tull (National Archives WO 372/20/92182) recorded that he qualified for the 1914-15 Star which was instigated in 1918; and the British War Medal and the Victory Medal (instigated in 1919). Walter Tull was killed in action on 25th March 1918.
Walter Tull qualified for the 1914-15 Star on 17th November 1915 when he was a Lance Sergeant in the Duke of Cambridge's Own Middlesex Regiment. His qualification is listed on the Army Medal Roll: "Middlesex Regiment (Duke of Cambridge's Own) other ranks (pages 1A-51A); E/1/3B (pages B-259B) 1914-15 Star." held at the UK National Archives in medal roll E/1/3A-4 (Catalogue reference WO 329/2766). The 1914-15 Star was issued automatically by the man's local infantry record office to the man's last known address. If it could not be issued it was held for two years before being returned to the War Office Medals Branch (the Medal Office).
The 1914-15 Star medal for Walter Tull, deceased, was held by the infantry record office at Hanwell and returned to the Medal Office for disposal on 18th August 1920.
Walter Tull's qualification for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal was contained in the medal roll: Middlesex R/Off/107 page 105 (for officers) and also on the rank and file roll: E/1/102/B1/13.
Officer's medals were not automatically issued and had to be applied for in person using form EF/9 sent to the War Office Medals Branch, 27 Pilgrim Street, London E.C.. Walter could not apply because he had died.
On 30th September 1920, Walter Tull's older brother, Edward Tull-Warnock, of 419, St. Vincent St., Glasgow, applied to the Medal Office for Walter's medals (EF/9 dated 30.9.20). (After the death of the Tulls' parents, Edward Tull had been adopted by the Warnock family of Glasgow). An indent voucher was prepared on 9th October 1920 for the British War and Victory Medals to be made. The medals were "taken on charge" by the Medal Office on 21 December 1920. Medals were "taken on charge" when returned by the General Post Office as undeliverable by recorded delivery and were held for a period of time before being returned to the mint for disposal. "Taken on charge" indicated the medals were being held by the Medal Office. A certified receipt voucher was issued to identify the receipt of the medals but no reason was recorded for the return. Medals returned under paragraph 1743 of King's Regulations were medals which at the end of ten years, if they still remain unclaimed, would be sent to the deputy director of ordnance stores, Royal Dockyard, (Medal Branch), Woolwich, to be broken up (Army Order 340 of 1913).
Edward Tull-Warnock, a dentist, lived and practiced at 419, St Vincent Street, Glasgow, until 1926 when he moved to Randolph Road, Glasgow.
A special campaign was run in 1925, using the Press and radio, to encourage former soldiers who had changed address to apply for the 200,000 returned and un-claimed medals.
The Ministry of Defence Medal Office has long-since ceased to issue First World War campaign medals as none of the actual recipients is still living.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jeremy Thornton
Date: Friday 21st February 2014 at 8:13 AM

Alan,

It would appear that in fact there was no discrimination, which I am pleased to hear.

With kind regards
Jeremy thornton
Posted by: Bobbie {Email left}
Location: Burbage
Date: Wednesday 19th February 2014 at 11:32 PM
Dear Alan

I've been alerted to your forum on WW1 records and found your definitive responses fascinating and addictive. I wonder if you could advise me regarding my elusive relative, Robert Newland born 1878, Felmingham Norfolk. Robert joined the 1st Battalion, Norfolk regiment on
1st November 1894, served in India and was discharged unfit on 6th May 1902 after which he disappeared off the radar . Can you shed any light on his service in India and reason for discharge or advise me who to contact for this information.

Family folklore suggests he emigrated to Australia but I have no idea of the date. I know this sounds very vague but can you suggest where I could start looking for this? Searching the Find My Past database has drawn a blank as to his possible marriage, death or emigration.

Thank you.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 9:51 AM

Dear Bobbie,
Medical records have not survived so it is not possible to state why a man was discharged as unfit.
Service in India was generally garrison duty, policing the empire, although in 1903-04 eighteen men of the Norfolk Regiment's machine gun section took part in the Tibet Expedition. A small detachment of men from the Regiment served in the Somaliland Operations 1902-1904.
Passenger lists often recorded people by surname and initial, so it is not always possible to identify individuals.
The details of the Norfolk Regiment's location in India at that time would be held by the regimental museum.
http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museums/0000000112-Royal-Norfolk-Regimental-Museum.htm
In 1902 the Regiment was based at Dum Dum, Calcutta.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Bobbie
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 2:14 PM

Dear Alan

Thank you for answering my queries so quickly and for providing me with the army museums website address, giving me a further line of enquiry to pursue. I shall be glad to make a contribution to the British Legion.

Best wishes.
Bobbie
Posted by: Julie {Email left}
Location: Totneswww Devon
Date: Wednesday 19th February 2014 at 9:29 PM
Can anyone help me with a question which has puzzled me for years. My grandfather - Thomas Hiram Hext and his brother - Harry Edward Hext, were the only two sons of my great grandparents who formed a substantial farm before, during and after worlld war 1. Both brothers worked on the farm. My grandfather would have been 30 in 1916 and his brother approximately 25. Would they both have been conscripted? The story goes that papers were sent to the younger brother, who refused to go, and my grandfather went in his place. Would this be right.
Can any records be Found for my grandfather?
Julie
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 19th February 2014 at 11:51 PM

Dear Julie,
In the 1911 census of England Thomas Gardener Hext, age 49, was a farmer at Holwell Farm, Aveton Gifford, Kingsbridge, Devon. He lived there with his wife and four children. His eldest son was Thomas Hiram Hext aged 24 and his second son, Edward, was aged 18. Both sons worked on the farm. On August 15th 1915 a national census took place on National Registration Day when all adults between the ages of 15 and 65 had to provide details about their name, age, nationality, marital status and employment details. This was aimed at establishing an efficient workforce to support the war effort but there was a secondary agenda which was to identify men of military age in anticipation of compulsory military service for those aged over 18 and who had not yet attained the age of 41. Under- 18s had to state when their 18th birthday would fall. The men's details were abstracted from the registration forms and copied onto pink forms which were then marked with a star if the man's job was considered essential for the war effort. The "starred jobs" ranged from bakers to dustbin men as well as men with specialist skills or employed in essential manufacturing. The registration forms also identified women who could be employed to replace men of military age in munitions and other work. Farmers were not necessarily exempt, because women could replace farm workers. Once conscription was enforced in March 1916, if a man objected to being conscripted, or a father objected to losing his son from the farm, a local tribunal would hear the appeal for a special exemption.
Alongside the anticipation and controversy of compulsory service, from October to December 1915, Lord Derby promoted the Derby Scheme of deferred enlistment which allowed men to "volunteer now and serve later when called-up". These men enlisted as volunteers and were sent home on the day they had enlisted to await call-up when required. This allowed men to commit themselves voluntarily to the fight on paper without waiting for compulsory service to snare them.
Military records from the First World War are incomplete. In the case of Harry Edward Hext, born 1892, he might have been referred to in records as Edward or Harry, or Harry Edward. There appears to be no obvious record for Harry Edward Hext serving in the Army.
Thomas Hiram Hext of Holwell Farm, identified by his address and his father, Thomas Gardener Hext, being his next of kin, did join the Army and had volunteered for deferred enlistment on December 1st 1915 under the Derby Scheme, just two weeks before the final deadline for volunteering.
Farmer Hext's eldest son, Thomas, went to war.
He enlisted, aged 29 and seven months, under the Derby Scheme and was attested at No 3 Depot (Heavy and Siege Batteries), Royal Garrison Artillery, at Plymouth on December 1st 1915. He returned home and was called-up for active service on 15th March 1916 as Gunner 65308 Hext T. H., at No 3 Depot, Royal Garrison Artillery (RGA). On 6th April 1916 he was posted to No. 41 Company RGA Western Section (Plymouth) South Western Coast Defences before being sent overseas on 22nd September 1916 with 168th Siege Battery RGA. It is not clear where he served overseas but he was mildly wounded in the back on 19th August 1917 and then he was sent home for treatment for sickness on 30 November 1917. He went overseas again, to France, on 29 March 1918 and served with 18 Siege Battery RGA which had two 12" railway howitzers. He returned to the UK on 3rd February 1919 and was discharged from the Army a month later.
His rather burnt and waterlogged service record is available on the ancestry.co.uk website (subscription required). Your local library might offer free access to the ancestry website.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Julie
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 8:19 AM

Hi Alan,
Thanks very much for the information. I find it all very interesting. It must be fascinating for you looking up all the individual records for people who were so brave, and you must get a lot of satisfaction helping people answer questions that have been unanswered for a long time.
Thanks once again.
Julie
Posted by: Helenlink {Email left}
Location: Australia
Date: Wednesday 19th February 2014 at 6:20 AM
Reasearching my great Uncle Wilfred J Bastin(he wasn't killed).

Born about 1885 Altofts, Yorkshire. He was a coal miner.
I have his medal Card, but need some help decifering.

He went to war 13/4/1915

He was a private, 1. Yorks Light Infintry Reg No. 499
2. M.G.C " 131258
3. 5th K.O.Y.L.I " 1499

I understand he joined up early on, maybe around 1909, in the Territorial Force, meaning for home defence only.
But how do I find out when he joined the M.G.C. , & would he have had to come back to England to train?
How do you find out where he was during the battles, ie would he have been assigned to a brigade/battalion? Can you tell me anything by looking at the Reg number 131258?
Also, when did he transfer to the 5th KOYLI?

A bit more information. He did receive 4 medals
Roll page
Victory mgc/101B81 6418
British do do
Star mgc /11c or e ? 1312
T Eff A.O.178 s or of? 1919

Look forward to hearing back.
Helen(nee Bastin)
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 19th February 2014 at 6:52 PM

Dear Helen,
No individual service record has survived for Wilfred Bastin so it is not possible to suggest his wartime service. The medal rolls index card does not provide definitive information. The card showed he first went abroad to France (1) on 13th April 1915 with the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry. It does not state the battalion but marks the entry with an asterisk to show the Victory and British War Medal should have been inscribed with Yorks L.I. His regimental number was 499.
At some stage he transferred to the Machine Gun Corps.
In 1919 he was awarded the Territorial Efficiency Medal for long service. The medal was to be issued with the regimental number 1499 in the 5th Battalion KOYLI.
The 4th and the 5th Battalions KOYLI (Territorial Force) both arrived in France on 13th April 1915 with 49th Division, so he could have served with either battalion. The men of these two battalions were all allotted new regimental numbers in the first few weeks of 1917. The numbers were from 200001 to 265000 and replaced the old numbers. As Wilfred did not appear to have one of those new numbers he would have left the KOYLI before March 1917 when the numbers had been changed.
It is not possible to say where or when he joined the Machine Gun Corps which was formed in October 1915 and had schools in both France and England.
The actual Medal Roll for the 1914-15 Star, which is held at the UK National Archives at Kew, might record which battalion of the KOYLI he was serving in when he first went abroad.
The card showed his Territorial Efficiency Medal was authorised in 1919 with the regimental number 1499 in the 5th Battalion KOYLI. That might have been a clerical error as the medal might have been claimed as 499 5th Battalion KOYLI, suggesting Wilfred had served in the 5th Battalion. The Territorial Efficiency medal was awarded for 12 years' service, with war service counting double so he probably enlisted in about 1910.
See also:
http://www.machine-gun-corps-database.co.uk/intro_page.html
and
http://www.machineguncorps.co.uk/research.html

With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Helenlink
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 6:04 AM

Alan,

re Wilfred James Bastin

Only have access to the British Medal & it has 499 Pte W J Bastin K.O.L.Y.I

Does that provide any clues?

Thanks for your help

Helen
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 20th February 2014 at 9:47 AM

Dear Helen,
I'm afraid it doesn't. It simply confirms he first went abroad with the KOYLI.
Alan
Posted by: David
Location: Cambridgeshire
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 10:52 AM
Hello Alan
I am trying to find any information I can about my Grandfather, family stories tell of him being wounded and discharged from the army, his name is John William Day, he was in the 9th Battalion Norfolk Regiment, his service number was 15703.
We have no idea when he enlisted but my brother has his medals which include a 1914-15 Star, we would like to know where and when he received his wounds, I would be grateful for any help you could give me thank you

Yours Sincerely David
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 8:41 PM

Dear David,
It is not possible to state exactly where a man was wounded as that amount of detail was rarely recorded. However, from surviving information and details of events at the time it is possible to suggest the area in which a soldier was at the time.
John William Day stated he was born on Christmas Day 1894. He enlisted at Norwich on September 10th 1914 at the age of 19, at the height of the recruitment drive to create a citizen's army: Kitchener's New Army. He joined the 9th Battalion The Norfolk Regiment when it was formed at Norwich. The Battalion move to train at Shoreham, Kent, where it formed-up with the 71st Infantry Brigade in the 24th Division. They moved from Shoreham to billets at Brighton in January 1915 and returned to Shoreham in February. In March 1915 they moved to Blackdown, Aldershot. The Battalion went to France on the night of 29th/30th August 1915 and shortly afterwards fought at The Battle of Loos on 26th September 1915 despite having been in France for only three weeks. On 11th October 1915, the 71st Infantry Brigade transferred to the 6th Division.
The 6th Division fought on the Somme in 1916 at The Battle of Flers-Courcelette; The Battle of Morval and The Battle of Le Transloy. In 1917 they fought at The Battle of Hill 70 (August, in the Loos sector) and The Cambrai operations (20 November - 30 December 1917).
Pte John Day was shot in the ankle (which one was not stated) on 2nd October 1917 and was taken to hospital in France with a "severe" wound. He returned to the U.K. by hospital ship on 13th October 1917 and was treated at 5th Northern General Hospital at Leicester. He was discharged as no longer physically for war service on 6th May 1918.
The date he was wounded does not match the date of a major engagement for the Division, but his Battalion lost ten men killed on 2nd October 1917, so they were obviously in action even if they remained in the trenches. The numbers are suggestive of a night-time trench raid into the enemy lines. The Division was in the Loos Sector on October 2nd 1917 in the area around Les Brebis North-west of Grenay and Maroc in the Loos sector.
The 9th Battalion Norfolk Regiment war diary would record a specific location and events for the battalion on October 2nd 1917. It is held at The National Archives at Kew in catalogue reference WO 95/1623, but it is not yet available online. Perhaps the Regimental Museum could help. See:
http://www.rnrm.org.uk/html/contact.html
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: David
Date: Saturday 22nd February 2014 at 5:10 PM

Dear Alan
Many thanks for the information you gave me regarding my grandfather it is very much appreciated
yours Sincerely
David
Posted by: Dede {Email left}
Location: Hull
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 10:44 AM
Morning Alan,
Wonder if you could fill me in with any more details. I am looking for more info on a Gt.Uncle who died WW1.
He was George Davis Walker, Pvt in Border Regiment Service No. 12856 died 26 August 1915 & memorial grave Ridge Wood Military Cemetery.
Thankyou
dede
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 8:48 PM

Dear Dede,
The soldier identified by the CWGC Debt of Honour as G. D. Walker, 12856 Border Regiment was recorded in "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (HMSO 1921) as George Downham Walker of Troutbeck, Cumberland. The GRO recorded the birth of George Downham Walker as Walker, George Downham, Kendal, Westmorland, Jan-Mar 1895 Vol 10B page 728. Both "Soldiers Died in the Great War" (SDGW) and an Army medal rolls index card recorded that he had "died" (as opposed to being "killed in action" or "died of wounds") meaning his death was caused other than by enemy action; perhaps accident or illness. The CWGC and SDGW stated the date of death was 26th August 1915. The medal index card stated he died on 21st August 1915.
He had first entered France on 24th July 1915 and served with the 7th Battalion The Border Regiment.
The casualty returns of the 7th Bn Border Regiment for August 1915 stated: "12856 Pte Walker J.D. [sic] 26.8.15 died of fever" (National Archives WO/95/2008 War Diary, Appendix 2, August 1915, "Battle Casualties from Embarkation to 31st August 1915").
His death certificate might state the cause of death, or it might state simply "while on active service". It can be ordered from the GRO in the usual way as Walker, George D, Border Regiment, Private, 12856, 1915 Volume I.16 Page 312 (GRO War Deaths Army Other Ranks (1914 to 1921)).
On August 26th 1915, the battalion had been involved only in training and static trench instruction, with billets at Reninghelst, South-west of Ypres, since arriving in France in July.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Dede
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 9:59 PM

Thank you so Much Alan. Alas, it wasn't my GD Walker so sorry you went to all this trouble. You really are brilliant & so quick with your replies.
Regards dede
Posted by: Bella
Location: Esher
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 9:01 AM
Dear Alan,

Firstly, just hope you haven't been involved in these awful floods. Secondly, could you possibly help with Clara Johnson born Horton Kirby, Kent 22nd April 1864. Daughter of James and Jane Johnson. Not having much luck finding out wether or not she married and when she died.

Any light you are able to shed will be much appreciated.

With kind regards.

Bella
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 8:30 PM

Dear Bella,
There is insufficient detail to search online for a name as frequently occurring as Clara Johnson after the 1911 census. Clara appears in the census of 1881 to 1901 as a servant and in 1911 was indexed as Clara Jemson, aged 46, single, domestic servant, at Mere in Wiltshire. The transcript is an error as the actual household schedule has her name as Clara Johnson. As there is no later census available, it would be cumbersome to search online for a marriage or death without knowing where or when. Even if she did not marry there are 50 deaths after 1911 of women named Clara Johnson born 1864 plus or minus two years. There was one death recorded in Bridge, Kent, in 1949 which would be worth further consideration, but beyond 1911 you really need to see the original certificates and results become restricted using a desktop search.
With kind regards,
Alan

Thank you for your concern about the floods, fortunately I live on high ground.
Reply from: Bella Esher
Date: Tuesday 18th February 2014 at 10:54 PM

Thank you so much Alan. Much appreciated

Bella
Posted by: Becca {Email left}
Location: East Yorkshire
Date: Monday 17th February 2014 at 5:02 PM
Hello Alan, here I am again with yet another query in my Dorsey family.
I have just discovered that Sydney Dorsey Terry, born in Aldershot in 1876 served and died with the Canadian Infantry. I found this on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site. I wonder if you could tell me more about his service.

With many thanks

Becca

TERRY, SIDNEY DORSEY
Initials: S D
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Central Ontario Regiment)
Unit Text: 102nd Bn.
Age: 41
Date of Death: 25/08/1917
Additional information: Son of Samuel Terry, of The Manse, Ash Vale, Aldershot, and the late Mary Terry.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: X. F. 9.
Cemetery: VILLERS STATION CEMETERY, VILLERS-AU-BOIS
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 17th February 2014 at 7:38 PM

Dear Becca,
As he served with the Canadian Expeditionary Force his records will be held by the Library and Archives Canada in the name of Sidney Dersey (sic) Terry, reference RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 9574 44 Item Number: 275921. He enlisted 3rd January 1916 as a Lieutenant in the 67th Battalion stating he had served in South Africa 1899 1902.
To see his declaration paper and to purchase his service record, see:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/canadian-expeditionary-force.aspx
A Trooper S.D. Terry served with the South African Light Horse November 1899 October 1900. He appears to have risen to the rank of Colour Sergeant as a Colour Sergeant S D Terry was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in April 1901. He arrived back in South Africa on 16th April 1901 and served in the 22nd Battalion Imperial Yeomanry from 18th July 1901, and at some stage afterwards until the end of the Second Anglo-Boer War as a Lieutenant in the 44th (Suffolk) Company of the 12th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry. He relinquished his commission in The Imperial Yeomanry on September 5th 1902 and retained the rank of honorary Lieutenant. The records do not identify him further.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Becca
Date: Monday 17th February 2014 at 7:52 PM

Once again, my grateful thanks to you for such prompt reply. I shall have to search further for his Canadian service records.
Kind regards

Becca
Reply from: Joan Gaffiero
Date: Sunday 2nd March 2014 at 7:36 PM

Hi Becca, I was very interested to read your query re Sidney Dersey Terry as I have inherited a war memorial Plaque with his name on and was presented to his next of kin by King George V. The deceased died in battle in the 1st World War and my grand father was Harry Francis Terry born in UK but died in Malta where he married and lived till his death. I don't know the relationship between my grand father and Captain Terry who apparently served in the Canadian army. Of course I have more details re my grand father and if you re interested you can email me. (joangaffiero at gmail dot com).

Kind Regards
Joan Gaffiero.
Reply from: Becca
Date: Monday 3rd March 2014 at 11:31 AM

Joan,
Thanks for getting in touch. I tried several times last night to contact you, but all I got was that your e mail address was not known. There is a connection between your grandfather and Sidney, and I would like to share our knowledge about the family.

Please get in touch by my e mail, which I trust Bob will relay to you. I do not want to give it here.
Kind regards

Becca
Posted by: Suemsmith {Email left}
Location: Sheffield
Date: Monday 17th February 2014 at 3:05 PM
Dear Alan

You very kindly helped me out with George Mellor last week, and I wonder if I may presume upon you again.

We are helping to research those recorded on the WW1 memorial plaque in Ellastone Church, Staffordshire - there are 19 in total and we are making good progress with most (three of those recorded are my great uncles, including my grandmother's two brothers). However, as you will guess, in some cases we come up against a brick wall.

Could you please very kindly throw some light on

ROWLINSON, PERCY GEORGE, Air Mechanic 2nd Class, Service No:193110
Date of Death 21/06/1920 - Age: 19 - Royal Air Force

He is one of three buried in Ellastone Churchyard.

Many thanks in advance

Sue Smith
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 17th February 2014 at 6:38 PM

Dear Sue,
There is some confusion among the records as to when Percy George Rowlinson died and it will be necessary to look at original documentation which is not available online.
He was born Percival George Rowlinson, at Ashbourne in Derbyshire in 1900 (Apr-May-Jun 1900 Vol 7B page 691) the son of Joseph Percival Rowlinson, a farmer, and his wife Gertrude Annie Isam. They married at Ashbourne in 1897. Gertrude died at Ashbourne, in 1900 and Percival was brought up by his maternal grand-parents Charles and Fanny Isam.
His name does not appear to be listed in the RAF Muster Roll of April 1918. An RAF service record for Percy George Rawlinson (sic) is available on application the The National Archives, at Kew, Surrey, in Catalogue reference AIR 79/1749/193110.
The GRO recorded his death as Rowlinson Percival G., aged 19, at Ashbourne Derbyshire in 1919 (Apr-May-June 1919 Vol 7B page 658).
The CWGC recorded his date of death as 21/06/1920.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Suemsmith
Date: Monday 17th February 2014 at 7:38 PM

Dear Alan

Thanks so much for your swift response - I will apply to National Archives.

Best wishes

Sue

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