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Posted by: Jonboy {Email left}
Location: Harlow
Date: Friday 31st January 2014 at 4:37 PM
Hi Alan
Can you please look fo a William Alfred Cowling Born 1881 served in the Royal Sussex Regiment Reg No 6196.
Also would you be able to answere this Question for me please:: If a person gets married in 1911 but there Father is Dead now on the Certificate where it says Fathers name it has got this persons Brothers name in it. Was this allowed do you know ?.
Kind regards
Jonboy
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 31st January 2014 at 9:13 PM

Dear Jonboy,
William Alfred Cowling was a professional soldier who survived two wars despite being wounded.
He was born at Walworth, Southwark, in 1880, the son of John Thomas Cowling, a boot repairer, and his wife Martha. In the 1881 census he was recorded as William J Cowling at Stoke Newington. He enlisted in the Army at Dalston on 12th February 1900 during the South African War. He was aged 19, a porter, who was 5ft 3ins; fair complexion; light brown hair and hazel eyes. He had "WC" tattooed on his right forearm and a pierced heart on his left. The next day, 13th February 1900, he joined the 1st Battalion The Royal Sussex Regiment at Chichester. He remained in the UK at the Royal Sussex depot at Chichester and on "details" (men allocated to a specific task or duty). He served in South Africa from 1st May 1902 until 16th October 1902 when the Battalion was sent to India. After five years in India, on 28 October 1907, having served seven years with the colours, William was placed on the Reserve, paid 3 shillings and six-pence a week and required to undergo annual training in addition to any civilian job.
The 1911 England census recorded him as an "army reservist", aged 30, living at his parents' home at 36 Regent's Row. Also at the address was a James Driscall (sic), aged 31, "army reservist" who was a boarder. A boarder was considered part of the family and was defined as someone who ate his meals at the same table as the family; while a lodger ate his meals alone in his room or ate out. There was a James Driscoll (sic) born at Southwark who served in the 1st Battalion The Royal Sussex Regiment in South Africa, so it appears the two were friends. William was mobilized from the Reserve on 5th August 1914 and was posted to the 2nd Battalion The Royal Sussex Regiment. He went to France on 12th September 1914, the same date that James Driscoll also destined for the 2nd Battalion The Royal Sussex Regiment went to France. The two soldiers shared a home and were side-by-side in two wars. They arrived across the Channel in a draft of reinforcements at the time the British Army was moving to the Flanders area during the "race to the sea" after the stalemate on the river Aisne. They would have fought at The First Battle of Ypres in October November 1914; The winter operations of 1914-15 and then The Battle of Aubers (May 1915) and The Battle of Loos (September 1915); On 9th May 1915, James Driscoll was killed in action at The Battle of Aubers, aged 33. James is commemorated on the Le Touret Memorial to 13,400 British soldiers who were killed in that sector of the Western Front from the beginning of October 1914 to the eve of the Battle of Loos in September 1915 and who have no marked grave.
Six months later, on 1st November 1915, William Cowling received a wound to the head and was returned to hospital in the UK. He was treated in the UK until he had recovered and was posted back to France on 22nd December 1915 destined to serve with the 7th Battalion Royal Sussex Regiment which had been in France for six months with the 36th Infantry Brigade in the 12th (Eastern) Division. They were in the front line north of the La Bassee Canal at Givenchy when William arrived.
William served with the 7th Battalion during the 1915-16 winter months when they were taking part in static trench warfare but nevertheless suffered losses. On January 19th 1916, they took part in a fortnight's training for open warfare (in anticipation of "The Big Push" of 1916) and then moved back into the line at Loos early in February. They held the line from the quarries at Loos to the Hohenzollern Redoubt. The Redoubt was an area of underground mining activity and four mines were detonated at 5.45 a.m. on March 2nd 1916 when the 36th Infantry Brigade attacked and captured the enemy's front trench and the mine craters, followed by weeks of heavy fighting.
William was a casualty again on 10th March 1916. He returned to England, the reason unstated, and by 19th August 1916 he had been discharged from the Army as no longer physically fit for war service. He had served nine years with the colours in South Africa, India and Flanders, and seven years in the Reserve at home. He had qualified for the Queen's South Africa Medal with clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, 1901 and 1902; the 1914 Star with Mons Clasp; The British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

An Act for registering Births, Deaths, and Marriages in England was passed on 17th August 1836, which allowed for the printing of standardized marriage certificates used from March 1837 which required the person solemnizing the marriage to ask the name of the groom's and bride's fathers and the father's occupation. The name had to be that of the birth father unless (more recently) the child had an adoptive father. The father's name ostensibly allowed the paternity and hereditary rights of the child to be established and was based on paternal guardianship laws where fathers could continue to control even adult women. The groom generally sought permission of the bride's father to marry his daughter and the bride was generally "given away by her father" in church in what became an exchange of male guardianship rights from father to son-in-law. In 1836 the father was identified by "name and surname" and "rank or profession", with nothing as lowly as "occupation".
The Act failed to consider how entries should be made in the event of the father dying before the marriage ceremony. For that reason, it can never be assumed that the father was still living at the time of the marriage. Later, it became common practice to add "deceased" in either of the two columns, although some clergymen wrote "deceased" instead of the occupation, which was unhelpful. The absence of the father's name and occupation usually indicated that the groom or bride did not know the name of their birth father, indicating that they were illegitimate. In those cases the two columns were left blank or struck through.
It seems, in the case you mention, that the clergyman was identifying the groom's nearest relative or next-of-kin, which was a brother, which was perhaps well-meaning but unconventional without being illegal. This does not imply the mother was not present. Women simply did not have the legal status in 1911 and even the loving mothers of fatherless children (or mothers who had married someone other than the birth father) could not put their names on their child's marriage certificate. One of the witnesses could have been the mother. It is also possible the mother might have died before the wedding.
The lack of mother's names on marriage certificates is still a matter of contention, particularly for single mothers or people whose fathers had little part to play in their upbringing. Today, mother's names may appear on civil partnership documents and Scottish or Northern Ireland marriage records, but not English marriage certificates. I believe a petition is currently being raised to try and have the law altered with respect to the inclusion of mother's names on English marriage certificates.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jonboy
Date: Friday 31st January 2014 at 9:31 PM

Wow Wow ! thank you so much for that Alan on both counts, hope you don't mind but theres an old folks home not far from here who are raising money for some of the residents to visit the War graves in Belgium,so im going donate the money to that cause plus I am growing 20 flower baskets in my Greenhouse on my allotment which I intend to donate all the money I get for them (hopefully baskets will be ready in time) plus hope to be doing a boot sale with all money raised going to them as well,i will of course carry on donating to the British Legion after that.
Once again Alan many thanks.
Regards
Jonboy
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 31st January 2014 at 9:42 PM

Excellent idea.
On! On!
Alan
Posted by: John
Location: Evesham
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 9:46 PM
Hi Mr Greveson

You've been a great help in the past and hopefully might assist in another matter. I'm trying to find any army records for a Herbert Leslie Felix, born 1900 (my physio's grandfather!) The only evidence he was in the army are posed photos identifiable as the London Scottish regiment and also Gordon Highlanders. No records exist with the MOD so I'm assuming his service was linked to being drafted for the Great war (no trace on Ancestry and Findmypast seem to exist however). Any thoughts would be massively appreciated, Regards, John.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 31st January 2014 at 1:19 PM

Dear John,
Herbert (Bertie) Leslie Felix was born on 9th December 1900 at Croydon. It is unlikely that someone born in December 1900 served early in the First World War as he would have been only 13 when war was declared in August 1914. In August 1915, a national census identified every young man's 18th birthday for compulsory conscription purposes and from 1916 men were conscripted on or after their 18th birthday.
It is possible a young soldier served only in the UK after December 1918 (his 18th birthday) or he might have served with the British Army of Occupation on the Rhine, to replace wartime soldiers returning home from Germany.
Service records for men who served after 1920 are still held by the Ministry of Defence. The MOD will release certain amounts of information about a deceased person to the direct next-of-kin or with permission of the next-of-kin, or as a general enquirer. See:
https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

If Bertie Felix served after the Armistice up to 1920 he would not have qualified for campaign medals. The majority of service records from the First World War were destroyed. So, it is possible there will be no public record of his service.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: John
Date: Saturday 1st February 2014 at 8:12 AM

Thanks Alan - it appears he served on the Rhine. His Grandson mentioned he was supposedly an occupier but I wrongly dismissed it as I thought we did not occupy Germany. Since the MOD, Ancestry and Find my past don't have any records, is there any places you can think of he could be mentioned ? Many thanks as always, John.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 1st February 2014 at 6:50 PM

Dear John,
You would be very fortunate to find any records. You would need to know which regiment he was serving in and at what time before contacting a regimental museum to see if they had any copies of "The Cologne Post" or regimental periodicals that might have mentioned, for example, some sporting achievement or musical accomplishment. The British Library holds copies of "The Cologne Post".
The 1st Battalion Gordon Highlanders served in Cologne up to the end of 1919.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: John
Date: Sunday 2nd February 2014 at 7:59 PM

Thanks again Alan - invaluable help once again, all the best - John.
Posted by: Robert Mcloughlin {Email left}
Location: Birmingham
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 5:27 PM
Dear alan,iam hoping you can help me iam trying to trace my grandfather george william meaden,s world war one service record but iam struggling a bit,iam told he served in the royal warwickshire rifles,i think he joined up in 1916 i know as a lot of men did he lied about his age he was 16 years of age.iam told he served in gallipoli or i think they called it the balkans.i think he was dischaged in 1916 having had his leg and toes amputated through trench foot he died,iam told as possibly a result of his injurys he died in 1943.i really hope you may be able to help.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 8:42 PM

Dear Robert,
No individual service record has survived for George Meaden so it is not possible to state his wartime service but the story you have seems broadly accurate. An Army medal rolls index card showed he first entered a theatre of war (2B Balkans) i.e. Gallipoli (Dardanelles) on "about 29th October 1915" and served with the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. The only battalion of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment at Gallipoli was the 9th Battalion which had landed there in July 1915 with the 13th Division.
A War Badge roll recorded George Meaden enlisted on 14th September 1914 and was discharged through sickness in the UK on 20th December 1916. His arrival at Gallipoli in October 1915 suggests he was part of a draft of reinforcements. After Gallipoli, the 9th Battalion went on to serve in Egypt and Mesopotamia, so it would seem probable that trench foot, caused by wet and cold, was contracted not in the desert but during the extremely harsh winter conditions of November and December 1915 at Gallipoli. The 13th Division had fought engagements at The Battle of Sari Bair; The Battle of Russell's Top and The Battle of Hill 60 in the summer of 1915 and then transferred from ANZAC Cove to Suvla Bay. During George's time on the peninsula the Division was engaged in static trench warfare. The Division moved to the Helles Bridgehead from Suvla Bay on the 19th and 20th of December 1915, where they were subsequently in action during the last Turkish attacks at Helles on the 7th of January 1916.
Casualties were usually evacuated by ship to hospitals at Cairo or Malta before being sent back to hospital in the UK.
George qualified for the 1914-15 Star; the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. He was awarded a silver War Badge for being discharged through sickness.
A contemporary account of the events at Gallipoli, including the weather, was written in 1916 by John Masefield who had been there as the commander of an ambulance boat. Masefield became Poet Laureate in 1930. "Gallipoli" can be read online or downloaded free at:
https://archive.org/details/gallipoligun00mase

With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Robert Mcloughlin
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 9:11 PM

Hello alan,thank you very much for your information i will pass on this message on to my cousin who is compiling a family tree and also gathering information about our grandfather.i have the silver war badge and my cousin has our grandfathers medals,i will now give him the badge as i feel they should remain together.i have his photograph in which he looks just like a boy.many thanks once again.regards robert mcloughlin
Posted by: Bridgette Simmons {Email left}
Location: London
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 1:41 PM
Hello Alan
My Great Uncle Percy James Crow enlisted in the KOYLI in 1904 - No 8440
He was a prisoner of war in WW1
I have recently found his pension record which confirmed this and from the service dates I have concluded he was in the 2nd Battalion which then formed part of the 13th Brigade 5th Division
The record states he was taken prisoner on 1st November 1914 and sent to Schneidmuhl where he stayed until the end of the war
I wondered if you were able to tell me what battles he fought prior to being a prisoner and where he might have been at the time of capture.
Do you have any info on Schneidmuhl?
Thank you
Bridgette
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 8:40 PM

Dear Bridgette,
An Army medal rolls index card showed Percy Crow arrived in France on 1st October 1914. The 2nd Battalion King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry had been in France since 16th August 1914, so it is probable Percy was part of a draft of casualty replacements that would have joined the battalion in the field after some days' travelling and marching in order to catch up with the Battalion somewhere in France. Percy was reported missing on 30th October 1914 and stated he was a prisoner from November 1st 1914, so he would have had a month in France.
The only battalion of the KOYLI in France and Flanders between those dates was the 2nd Battalion.
The Battalion fought at La Bassee, and Messines between 10th October and 2nd November 1914, with incessant fighting from the 13th October. On 1st October 1914 the 2nd Battalion was relieved in the trenches at Missy by the river Aisne and went into billets in the village of Vassemy. The Battalion, with the rest of 13th Infantry Brigade, then withdrew from the trenches at Missy in what became known as the "race for the sea" and on the night of October 6th under cover of darkness they marched via Villers Cotterets to Fresnoy la Riviere. The next day they boarded trains at Verberie and arrived at Abbeville at 9 a.m. on the 8th October 1914. The Battalion moved to Gueschart in the evening of the 8th and, marching by night, reached Haravesnes on the morning of the 10th. They were then taken by motor buses to Valhuon. This was possibly the earliest opportunity, when they had finished travelling North, that reinforcements could join them while they were stationary in billets for a couple of days.
On October 12th 1914, the 13th Brigade was moved to fill a gap south of the Bethune La Bassee Canal between Vermelles and the railway. The 2nd Bn KOYLI remained in reserve at Annequin but was moved forward to the canal on the 13th October when the enemy attacked. The 2nd Bn KOYLI spent the 14th October resisting enemy counter-attacks on the canal but in the evening the line was taken over by the French and the 2nd Bn KOYLI withdrew to billets in the village of Le Hamel. According to the regimental history, a draft of reinforcements caught up with the battalion while they were at Le Hamel (14th to 17th October 1914).
From 18th to the 20th October the battalion was in trenches in front of Lannoy and attacked the enemy by advancing towards Chateau Wood. From 20th October to 22nd October the battalion moved to tranches at Richebourge L'Avoue (today's Richebourg) where they were to be heavily engaged in fighting for the next nine days, sustaining 300 casualties. Their positions ran along La Bassee Canal through La Quinque Rue to the East of Neuve Chapelle and on to Fauquissart. On October 26th a junior officer arrived with another draft of reinforcements that went straight into the trenches at Richebourge L'Avoue and staved off an enemy break-through, having gone straight into the fight. The officer was killed the next morning. The fighting continued on the 27th, 28th and 29th until the enemy retired to their own trenches 500 yards distant.
The battalion was replaced at 3 a.m. on October 30th 1914 by the 2/39th Gwalior Rifles and 2nd Bn KOYLI moved to Merville by 6 p.m. on the 30th October 1914.
On October 31st the 2nd Bn KOYLI moved via Neuve Eglise to Messines where the battalion fought under trying conditions in an attempt to take the village which lasted until 7.45 a.m. on November 2nd when they were ordered back.
It is not possible to say where Percy Crow fought or was taken prisoner as it is not known when he joined the battalion in the field, although it may have been in the trenches at Richebourge L'Avoue when he was reported missing at roll-call on the 30th October.
He would have passed through various camps before reaching Schneidemühl which was at Posen in Pomerania, Prussia. The town is now in Poland. Prisoner of War records are held by the Archives of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva who plan to release them online. See:
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/article/other/archives-first-world-war-2011-07-27.htm

With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Bridgette
Date: Friday 31st January 2014 at 8:43 AM

Alan
This information is most gratefully received and I appreciate the time you have taken to respond. Thankyou
Posted by: Lynne Fiddick {Email left}
Location: Australia
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 3:26 AM
Hello Alan,
I would really appreciate your assistance if you can spare a little time. My grandfather, Harry Bailey, born in Deal Kent in 1893, served in WW1. Family stories say he was wounded in the leg and that he was "mentioned in despatches", but I have no idea of where I could find out whether or not that was correct. The family also said he had mentioned serving in India and that he "broke horses" although where he was at that point we do not know; he survived the war & returned home, living until 1970, but he did not claim a war pension, instead he took his holidays during winter when his leg gave him trouble.
I have found he served in the Royal Field Artillery and had two regimental numbers (1163 and 910227.) From reading messages on your forum, and other WW1 websites, I think this may mean he was originally in the Territorial Forces as a Driver in the Royal Field Artillery (when his regimental no. was 1163); I think that the number 910227 indicates service with the 3rd Brigade (Kent) Home Counties Division Royal Field Artillery, although I do not know if that is the correct title.
I would really appreciate anything you might be able to tell me, or suggest I try to get some more information about Harry's service under either/both of his regimental numbers.
Thank you
Lynne
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 5:57 PM

Dear Lynne,
No individual service record has survived for Harry Bailey, so it is only possible to suggest the record of his artillery brigade. An Army medal rolls index card for Harry Bailey 1163 and 910227 indicated that he served with the III Home Counties (Cinque Ports) Brigade Royal Field Artillery (Territorial Force) which was later designated as CCXXII Brigade (222 Brigade). The evidence for his unit comes from the allocation of replacement regimental numbers to the Territorials in the first weeks of 1917. The number 910227 was allotted by CCXXII Brigade.
Harry later qualified for the Territorial Force War Medal indicating he had served in the part-time Territorials with the III Home Counties (Cinque Ports) Brigade Royal Field Artillery before the outbreak of war.
In the 1908 army reforms, the artillery volunteers in Kent were formed into the 3rd Home Counties Brigade Royal Field Artillery and their three batteries were numbered 1st Kent Battery, 2nd Kent Battery and 3rd Kent Battery, based at Liverpool Street, Dover (alongside Headquarters); Shallon Street Drill Hall, Folkestone; and High Street Drill Hall, Ramsgate (although one source says Victoria Road, Margate) in that order. The brigade served in the Home Counties Division of the Territorial Force. The Brigade's title was styled: "1st/3rd Home Counties (Cinque Ports) Brigade Royal Field Artillery (V)" where the "V" stood for volunteers. The Batteries were styled: "3rd Kent Battery, Royal Field Artillery (V) (3rd Home Counties Brigade)". The Home Counties Division took the title of "44th (Home Counties) Division".
On 22 September 1914 the government of India agreed to send 32 British and 20 Indian regular army battalions to Europe in exchange for Territorial Force units from England and the Home Counties Division was despatched to India from Southampton sailing for Bombay on 30 October and arriving on the first three days in December, 1914. India was not a theatre of war and on arrival, the units reverted to peacetime service conditions but remained embodied for full time duty. Units moved out to garrison Kamptee, Mhow, Jullundur, Mooltan, Ferozepore, Jubbulpore, Lucknow, Cawnpore, Fyzabad, Mhow, Jhansi, Dinapore and Fort William.
A Field Artillery brigade consisted of four (or three) batteries and a headquarters, so "C" Battery was the third battery. Each battery of 222 Brigade had four guns and comprised 198 men. They were equipped with the standard horse-drawn 18-pounder guns (Ordnance Quick Firing 18-pounder Mark I) with a range of about 6500 yards. The brigade was the equivalent of an infantry battalion and was commanded by a lieutenant-colonel and had 795 men of whom 23 were officers.
At the outbreak of war, the existing Territorial artillery brigades recruited second line units to provide drafts. These units took the fractional title "2nd" so the original brigade took the title "1st". Hence the 1/III ["First Third"] Home Counties (Cinque Ports) Brigade Royal Field Artillery (V). The Brigade was warned it would go to Mesopotamia (Iraq) to fight the Turks. The brigade left the Home Counties Division and joined the 15th Division which was formed on 7 May 1916. They landed at Basra where their headquarters was established and the batteries were despatched up country where the fighting and communications were based on the two major rivers: the Tigris and the Euphrates. In July 1916, "C" Battery of 222 Brigade was at Amara on the Tigris; "B" Battery was at Nasiriya on the Euphrates and HQ and "A" Battery in Basra. The dry, hot summer was comparatively peaceful in terms of major campaigns. The 15th Division generally fought on the Euphrates, so it is not clear from their history whether the artillery batteries were detached elsewhere or not. The Division's honours were at 11 September 1916 the Action of As Sahilan on September 11th 1916; the capture of Ramadi on September 29th 1917; the occupation of Hit on March 9, 1918 and the action of Khan Baghdadi on March 26-27, 1918. The fighting in Mesopotamia ended on October 31st 1918.
The best way to discover the history of 222 Brigade RFA would be to study their war diary which is held only at the UK National Archives at Kew. It covers from May 1916 to February 1919 and is Catalogue reference WO 95/5188.
The 15th Division was disbanded by March 1919. Harry qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. He was also awarded the Territorial Force War Medal which was instigated in 1920 for members of the Territorials who had volunteered for overseas service and were serving at the outbreak of war, but did not qualify for the 1914 or 1914-15 Star for service overseas before December 31st 1915. Because Harry went to India in 1914, he did not qualify for a Star because India was not a theatre of war. Such early serving volunteer soldiers were rewarded with the Territorial Force War Medal.
I have found no evidence of his being formally Mentioned in Despatches. His medal card might have shown "emblems" to record the MID oak leaf that was worn on the ribbon of the Victory Medal. There should also have been an MID index card in the name of H. Bailley. The MID would have been promulgated in the official government publication "The London Gazette", which can be searched online:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search
Mentions in Despatches were awarded by the Commander-in-Chief by naming officers and men within his Despatches. Lesser commanders often replicated the idea of commending explicit merit, but such commendations were not formally recognised other by perhaps a locally issued certificate.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Lynne Fiddick
Date: Thursday 30th January 2014 at 10:41 PM

Hello Alan,
Thank you very much for replying so fully and quickly to my email. I will follow your advice about studying the war diary and I will also take a good look at the London Gazette.
'Bye for now
Lynne
Posted by: Jonboy {Email left}
Location: Harlow
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 3:09 PM
Hi Alan
Hope is all well in this miserable Weather we are having, can you please give me any info on a :
John E E Hendrie Born abt 1896 died ? he was in the 28th Battalion Middlesex Regiment. his Reg No looks to be G24001. That's about all I have on him at moment, haven't got his parents as yet.
Kind Regards
Jonboy
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 6:45 PM

Dear Jonboy,
John Ernest Edward Hendrie was born at Shoreditch on 5th June 1896, the son of William Grant Hendrie, a chemist's assistant and his wife Priscilla. At the outbreak of war John was a warehouseman living at Clifton Street, Finsbury. He volunteered to join the Army at Tredegar Road, Bow, on 12th September 1914 and was posted on 8th October 1914 to the 13th Battalion The King's Royal Rifle Corps at Halton Park Camp, Buckinghamshire. He was discharged as unlikely to become an efficient soldier (misconduct) on 24th November 1914.
On 9th November 1915, John Hendrie, a cellarman, enlisted again at Finsbury and was posted to the 28th Battalion Duke of Cambridge's Own Middlesex Regiment, which was a reserve and training battalion based at Northampton. He served 135 days before being discharged on 25th March 1916 as unlikely to become an efficient soldier. He did not serve further during the war.
John married Ellen Burder at St James's Church, Shoreditch, on 8th February 1919. Their first child, George Ernest was born a week later on 16th February 1919. A second child, Leonard, was born 7th July 1920.
After the war, John volunteered to serve between 15th April 1921 and 4th July 1921 with the 7th Battalion The London Regiment (Defence Force) during the national emergency caused by a miners' strike. On "Black Friday" the transport and rail unions declared they would not strike in support of the miners although there were isolated disputes over handling imported coal. The Army was granting aid to the civil power in case there was wider disruption than actually occurred. During the three months' service his character was described as "very good" although he didn't tell the truth when he claimed he had served from November 1914 to March 1919. He then immediately joined the part-time Territorial Army with the 7th Battalion The London Regiment and remained with the T.A. for two years until 26th March 1923. He died in Southwark district in March 1960.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jonboy
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 10:50 PM

Hi Alan
Thank you so much for that info on John Hendrie.

Regards
Jonboy
Posted by: Eric {Email left}
Location: Birmingham
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 11:12 AM
Dear Alan
I've come to a dead end on this so hopefully you can help. I'm trying to trace my Grandfather's WW1 service records. His name is Hubert Henry Gough and he was born on 28/02/1897 in Coventry (his father was Walter Gough). He was married on 18/06/1916 in Dalston, London to Florence Northall & at the time of his marriage he was living at 6 Appleby Rd & I have no idea why he was in London as the remainder of his family were still in Coventry. His marriage certificate shows his rank or profession as being A.S.C which I presume to be the Army Service Corps. & also his age to be 22 which would mean that he was born in 1894 which is three years earlier than the date on his birth certificate. Could this mean that he lied about his age if he indeed signed up in say 1914?
Your help would be appreciated.
Regards
Eric Gough
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 2:20 PM

Dear Eric,
There are no surviving military records for Hubert Henry Gough. There is no identifiable entry in the index of the Army medals rolls. Campaign medals were awarded for overseas service, therefore it is possible he did not serve overseas. His marriage certificate stated he married by license at Dalston, implying a wish for speed or confidentiality because it avoided the Banns being read in the month preceding the marriage. He probably stated he was 21 or over because 21 was the legal minimum age to marry without parental consent. The entry under occupation was simply "ASC" which, in wartime, was most certainly the Army Service Corps. His bride, Florence Northall, came from Derbyshire so it is possible that the couple met and married in London. If he served in the ASC he could well have been serving in London because the ASC mechanical transport training depot was at Grove Park. Before the war he was an engineer's tool maker in Coventry the centre of the motor industry.
The birth of an Olive Gough, whose mother's maiden name was Northall, was registered in Coventry January-March 1917. Mothers-to-be often went to a relative's to have their baby and the registration of a birth does not provide evidence that the father was present. The next birth entry for Gough/Northall was three years later at Coventry in Jan-Mar 1920.
There are no identifiable records for variations in the surname such as Gaugh and Goff; nor the misinterpretation of Hubert as Herbert.
The Western Front Association holds an archive of 6.5 million pension record cards (PRCs) which are not available elsewhere. It is possible Hubert sought a pension. The WFA charges for a manual search of the records. See:
http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/about-the-wfa/175-pension-records/2961-pension-record-cards-manual-lookup-request.html

With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Eric
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 3:08 PM

Hi Alan

Thanks for the info on my Grandfather, Hubert Henry Gough; I can now finally put that one to rest. The reason for my Grandmother being in London was that she was a member of the Salvation Army, as was her father, and she had a relationship with a soldier in 1913 and as a result of that relationship she became pregnant. She was sent to the Salvation Army hostel in London & subsequently gave birth to a daughter. My Gran & the soldier never married, he went off to war & was killed on 01/07/1917 in Salonika.
Many thanks for your help.
Regards
Eric
Posted by: Jeremy Thornton {Email left}
Location: France
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 8:58 AM
Alan,

I wonder if you could tell me if the World War 1 diaries of the 1/5 and 2/5 Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry for the period June 1916 to the end of 1918 are available on line and if so how to find them?

I have tried to find this information in the National Archives website but am completely bamboozled as no matter what information I put into the search, I have been spectaculalry unsuccesfull. I know that it will be WO/95/someting but cannot even find a reference catalogue. As I have previously downloaded the war diaries for the 10th Kings (Scottish) Liverpool Regiment this is particularly frustrating.

Jeremy Thornton
Reply from: Jeremy Thornton
Date: Wednesday 29th January 2014 at 9:28 AM

Alan,

Please ignore this request as I have just been informed that these diaries are not available on line.

Jeremy Thornton
Posted by: Gilly {Email left}
Location: Australia
Date: Tuesday 28th January 2014 at 12:18 AM
Hi can you please find any information on Anthony Arrigonie he was in the kings own yorkshire light infantry ww1
Reply from: Bobber
Date: Tuesday 28th January 2014 at 4:46 AM

Relative. ?

From the London Gazette.

The undermentioned Non-Commissioned
Officers, Army Gymnastic Staff, to be Second Lieutenants
Dated 28th September, 1914.
Quartermaster Serjeant Instructor Anthony Arrigonie.

That should probably have been Quartermaster Serjeant Major Instructor
He was an SM in 1911 and they were usually called Quartermaster Serjeant Major Instructors

The King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry) 6th Battalion
Second Lieutenant Anthony Arrigonie (Army Gymnastic Staff)
be temporary Lieutenant. Dated 27th January, 1915.
(Substituted for the notification which appeared in the Gazette of 19th March, 1915.)

The King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry).
The undermentioned temporary Lieutenants to be temporary Captains
Anthony Arrigonie. Dated 10th December, 1915.
Reply from: Bobber
Date: Tuesday 28th January 2014 at 5:04 AM

Prior to serving in the KOYLI he had also served during WW1 in the The King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment and in the early 20th Century I believe that he might also have served in the Gloucester Regiment as a gymnastic instructor.

You should be able to view, and download, a copy of his WW1 Medal Record Card fro the following link.

His service record doesn't seem to have survived the WW2 Blitz on London.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2qjca43.jpg
Reply from: Gilly
Date: Tuesday 28th January 2014 at 5:20 AM

Thank you bobber yes he is a relative
Posted by: Kerrie
Location: Sydney
Date: Monday 27th January 2014 at 9:24 PM
Morning Alan!
Wondering if you could check for me please on a great uncle who was supposed to have been in WW1. I cannot find any record of him enlisting in Australia, so I thought he may have enlisted in England. His name was Thomas Augustus Gerard OLDRINI
His name is on a monument in a country town here in Oz
Thanks for your time
Cheers Kerrie
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 27th January 2014 at 10:15 PM

Dear Kerrie,
There are no military records for Thomas Augustus Gerard Oldrini in the UK. There are no immigration records. He is supposed to have died 1917, Temora, NSW, Australia at age 25 (http://www.beeston-notts.co.uk/families/Oldrini/14360.shtml)
With kind regards,
Alan

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