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Posted by: Taffycoop {Email left}
Location: Livingston
Date: Friday 8th April 2016 at 4:30 PM
My Grandfather William Sherborn served with M G C during WW1,he was killed in action 12thApril 1918 near Ploegsteert,I have his death penny but the Victory and war medals are missing.
Has anyone come across them,I would love to unite the three

Posted by: Hazel Smith {Email left}
Location: Redruth
Date: Wednesday 6th April 2016 at 9:43 PM
Hi Alan
Hope you are well ,,and can help with any info on this one please ,,,always appreciated

Edward Collick age 26 from Godolphin Cross, Helston Cornwall... DCLI
Sorry not much info Alan

Regards
Hazel
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 7th April 2016 at 2:14 PM

Dear Hazel,
The birth of Edward Wesley Collick was registered in the third quarter of 1890 at Helston Registration District, Cornwall. The 1891 census showed he was the son of Thomas Collick, a tin miner and (later) a clay miner and his wife Mary. In the 1911 census Edward was recorded as a china clay miner, aged 21, single, living with his parents at Breage, Cornwall.
No individual military service record has survived so it is not possible to be precise about his wartime service. An Army medal roll recorded he had served with the 10th Battalion Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry (D.C.L.I.) who were also known as the Cornwall Pioneers. The 10th D.C.L.I. was raised at Truro from 29th March 1915 with finance from the Mayor of the city. The Battalion trained from June 1915 at Penzance and then from October 1915 at Hayle near Penzance. On the 20th June 1916 the Battalion had been sent to France to be the pioneer battalion for the 2nd Division. A pioneer battalion was a labouring battalion that dug trenches and under took other labouring work under the supervision of the Royal Engineers attached to the infantry brigades of a Division.
Edward Collick was presumed dead and killed in action on 27th July 1916. He was probably killed during the fighting at Delville Wood. He has no marked grave and is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial to the Missing of the Somme, in France, and on a granite war memorial in Godolphin churchyard. Edward qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Hazel Smith
Date: Friday 8th April 2016 at 3:33 PM

Many thanks Alan , as always ..The RBL will benefit with my donation
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 8:00 PM

Dear Hazel,
Thank you for making a donation to the Royal British Legion.
Alan

Posted by: Bella {Email left}
Location: Esher
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:08 PM
Dear Alan,

I hope I find you in good health.

I have been researching and happen to see some correspondence dated WEDNESDAY, 28th OCTOBER 2015 11.28am from a JENNY W, BRISBANE. I continued reading and couldn't believe what I was seeing! This person was trying to trace family of her GRANDFATHER who was the son of MY GRANDFATHER WILLIAM JOHN WHITEHEAD. (Just reaching for the wine!) The names she mentions are all relevant, particularly that of his wife, ELIZABETH BYRNE WHITEHEAD, (assuming she knows not of the 2nd wife, my Grandmother!Can you tell me how I could contact her, it says email left, and do you think it would be possible to contact her. I have much information, certificates, some photographs.

I await your comments and now on my second glass, albeit small!

With kind regards.

Bella
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:23 PM

Dear Bella,
I never get to see private e-mail addresses on the forum as they are protected.
Instructions for contacting the editor are at the very top of the page. He will forward a request.
Alan
Reply from: Bella Esher
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:38 PM

Dear Alan,

Many thanks for your quick response. Will do.

With kind regards

Bella
Posted by: Brian Renshall {Email left}
Location: Rainhill
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 6:23 PM
Alan, I am looking for information on L/Cpl 241560 William Titterington of the South Lancs Regiment in particular where he was born or resided on enlistment. I believe he died in action on11th,August 1917
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 5th April 2016 at 2:29 PM

Dear Brian,
The CWGC Debt of Honour recorded William Titterington died on 14th August 1917 aged 36, and was buried at Estaires, near Armentieres, which was the location of some Field Ambulances. Estaires Communal Cemetery Extension was used by them from April 1917 to April 1918.
The Imperial War Graves Commission verification form of 1921-22 recorded William was the son of James and Ann Bartholomew (sic) Titterington, of 24, Springfield Road, Thatto Heath; and the husband of Martha Titterington, of 128, Elephant Lane, Thatto Heath, St. Helens, Lancs..
“Soldiers Died in the Great War” (HMSO 1921) recorded Lance-corporal William Titterington, 241560, died of wounds on 14th August 1917. He had been born in Bradford, Lancashire (correct) and had enlisted at St Helens, but that doesn’t mean he lived in St Helens.
The birth of a William Titterington was recorded in 1881 in the Prestwich registration district. The 1881 census showed William, age two months, was the third child of James and Ann Titterington living at 56, Chatham Street, Bradford, Prestwich, Lancashire. The father, James, was a wheelwright. William’s older brother was recorded as John, born 1872 at Ardwick [born Oct – Dec 1871. Ardwick was in Chorlton Registration District).
Bradford, Prestwich, Lancashire, sometimes known as Bradford-cum-Beswick, was a township and a chapelry in Manchester parish, four miles east of the city centre.
The surname Titterington is derived from the habitational name of the village Tytherington in Cheshire and is perhaps derived from the old English for a farmstead. The name is frequently found in North-west England.
The parish register of St Ann’s, Rainhill, recorded a baptism of a Mary Ann Titherington (sic) the daughter of James Bartholomew Titherington (a joiner) and Ann Titherington of Rainhill, on June 8th 1883. In 1884 the register recorded the baptism of a James Titterington, also the child of James Bartholomew and Ann Titterington, of Rainhill. James the father was a wheelwright. The child, James, had been born on 11th July 1884, and was baptised on August 21st 1884. The entry is marked P D which implies the baptism was “P” private (at home because of ill-health) and the child had since “D” died. The death of a James Titterington born in 1884 was registered in the last quarter of 1884 in the Prescot District. These two baptism entries suggest the family had moved to Rainhill by 1883.
The death of a James Bartholomew Titterington (born about 1843) was recorded at Prestwich, Lancashire, in 1901.
In the 1901 census William Titterington was recorded as a glass polisher, single, aged 20, living with his brother, John, at 62, Grant Street, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire. His brother John, who was the householder, stated they both had been born at Rainhill, which was not true, but they were probably raised there in childhood and might not have been aware of their actual birthplaces for the census record.
In the 1911 census, William Titterington, age 30, single, born Manchester, coal miner (hewer below ground), was a lodger at the home of Martha Platt, aged 32, widow, born St Helens, who had eight children aged between one and 13 years old. They all resided at Shuttleworth Cottage, Rainhill, Lancashire, in 1911, and address that had four rooms including the kitchen according to the census. William signed the household return, as if he were the householder, although it had been addressed to Martha Platt.
In the third quarter of 1912, a William Titherington (sic) married a Martha Platt in the Prescott Registration District of Lancashire that included Rainhill. The Army Register of Soldiers’ Effects recorded Lance-corporal William Titterington’s sole legatee was his widow Martha.
William Titterington had served in the 2nd/5th Battalion Prince of Wales’s Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment). The Battalion was raised in September 1914 at St Helens and served in the 57th Division, training at Ashford in 1915, Aldershot in 1916 and Blackdown from October 1916. The Battalion went to France on 20th February 1917. See Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail at:
http://www.1914-1918.net/57div.htm
The 2/5th Battalion was in the Flamengrie Subsector (Grande Flamengrie Farm, Bois Grenier, south of Armentieres) in August 1917 and was very active in trench raiding parties and repelling enemy raids. Only two-thirds of the Battalion were in the trenches. The rest were in the rear with stores (32); forty with transport; 21 bandsmen who were also stretcher bearers; thirty eight away on training courses; 83 detached to other units; and 17 in hospital.
William died of wounds apparently while at a Field Ambulance at Estaires, which was close to the Front. That indicated he had not been evacuated further to the rear beyond a couple of villages. The nearest fighting incident by the Battalion to the date of his death at Estaires was two nights earlier on the night of 11th/12th August 1917 when the 2/5th Battalion was trying to explode Bangalore torpedoes beneath the enemy barbed-wire during trench raiding operations. Four parties successively crossed No Man’s Land at different times of the night. Each of the first three parties found their Bangalore torpedoes failed to explode because of damp fuzes and the men had to return to their trenches. A fourth party was rallied and crossed No Man’s Land in the dark but only the detonator of their torpedo exploded with bang and a cloud of smoke. By that time, the enemy was on high alert and attacked the South Lancashire raiding party, wounding one man. At least two of the enemy fell to the ground; one kicked between the legs. The one wounded man from the 2/5th South Lancashire Regiment could have been William.
William qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
I can’t tell you his address on enlistment, as there is no service record for him. There were two births registered at Prescot District in Jan – March 1913, apparently twins, George and Martha Titterington whose mother’s maiden name was Platt, so William might have been at Rainhill in 1913.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Brian Renshall
Date: Tuesday 5th April 2016 at 6:35 PM

Alan, thank you for as ever your extremely comprehensive reply.
Posted by: Charlie Cockerline {Email left}
Location: St Thomas Ontario Canada
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 1:13 AM
Hi Alan:
I am researching the R.A.M.C. in ww1 trying to discover which Ambulance Unit L.-Cpl. Berthold Elliott Cockerline of Bradford, Yorks. might have been attached to while in France after attesting April 10, 1917 but so far have been unsuccessful. Is it possible that did Home Service instead?

Thanks and best,
Charlie
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 1:57 PM

Dear Charlie,
Berthold Elliott Cockerline did not serve overseas. He was conscripted on 24th June 1916 and was medically downgraded because of a problem with his right foot. He was passed fit enough to serve in Garrisons at home and he was recommended to serve as a private in the R.A.M.C.. He was eventually called up on 10th April 1917. He was sent to the R.A.M.C. training centre at Blackpool on 12th April 1917 where he joined “Z” Company which was a training company. Initially, the men were placed in billets and trained on the sea-shore or promenade of Blackpool. But this organization was broken up in July 1917 when one large training centre with a separate mobilization depot was formed under the command of a surgeon-general. There were eight training battalions each consisting of 1,000 recruits.
After his training he was sent to join the Embarkation Staff of the R.A.M.C. which organised the reception of the wounded at Southampton Docks and Dover Harbour. The H.Q. was at Southampton. Berthold Cockerline arrived at Southampton on 9th July 1917. The R.A.M.C. Company at Southampton Docks was known as Port No. 1 Company R.A.M.C. until it was formed into No. 48 Company R.A.M.C. in August 1918. On 29th December 1918, Berthold Cockerline was appointed a Lance-corporal. He was demobilized from the army on 24th January 1919.
The strength of 48 Company R.A.M.C. varied from 300 upwards, and in addition to performing clerical and bearer duties at the reception and distributing centres, the Company supplied detachments for the ambulance trains and replaced casualties in hospital ships. Throughout the war 1914 -1919 the R.A.M.C. at Southampton received 1,317,638 casualties while Dover handled 1,293,345 casualties (“History of the Great War; Medical Services”, Maj-Gen W.G. Macpherson; 1921).
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Peter {Email left}
Location: Billingham
Date: Saturday 2nd April 2016 at 8:47 PM
Dear Alan, can you please tell me if any record of 3-8076 Sgt J. Dunn York R from Norton Stockton on Tees, survived from the Great War.
Best Regards. Peter
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 1:56 PM

Dear Peter,
No individual service record has survived for J. Dunn 3-8076 Alexandra, Princess of Wales’s Own (Yorkshire Regiment) known as “The Green Howards”. He was John Dunn who had served in the Special Reserve before the war, indicated by the pre-fix 3 to his regimental number, 8076. Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail, explains the Special Reserve: “Men would enlist into the Special Reserve for 6 years and had to accept the possibility of being called up in the event of a general mobilisation and otherwise undertake all the same conditions as men of the Army Reserve. Their period as a Special Reservist started with six months full-time training (paid the same as a regular) and they had 3-4 weeks training per year thereafter. A man who had not served as a regular could extend his SR service by up to four years but could not serve beyond the age of 40. A former regular soldier who had completed his Army Reserve term could also re-enlist as a Special Reservist and serve up to the age of 42.” (© Chris Baker and Milverton Associates Ltd. http://www.1914-1918.net/reserve.htm)
An Army medal roll recorded John Dunn served in wartime with the 6th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment (The Green Howards) and first served overseas from 28th September 1915 at Gallipoli. The 6th Battalion had landed there on 6th August 1915 with 11th (Northern) Division, so John would have been part of a draft of reinforcements and casualty replacements.
The 6th Battalion was withdrawn from the peninsula on 18th December 1915 and moved, via the Greek island of Imbros in the Aegean, to Alexandria, Egypt, on 7th February 1916. The Battalion then crossed to France, landing at Marseilles on July 1st 1916. The engagements of the 11th Division can be seen at:
http://www.1914-1918.net/reserve.htm
On May 15th 1918, the 6th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment was reduced to cadre strength. Most men went to the 2nd Battalion and the remaining cadre returned to England where it merged with the new 19th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment and became part of 236th Infantry Brigade at Mytchett, Aldershot. The 236th Brigade then sailed for North Russia on 17th October 1918 and landed at Murmansk on 27th November 1918.
The 11th Division, in which he had served, began demobilization in January 1919 and had completed it in June 1919. The medal rolls noted that John Dunn served until 3rd August 1919 which was a very late date for discharge from the Army after the war had ended in 1918, and would, therefore, suggest he had served in Russia where the Allied Intervention Force was relieved in the autumn of 1919. The Allied Intervention in Russia was ostensibly to support the White Russian army, which was a loose confederation of anti-Communists led by Anton Denikin. He had been a general in the Imperial Russian Army from 1916 and afterwards the leading general of the White movement in the Russian Civil War. The White Russians then fought against the Red Russian army, who were known as the Bolsheviks, led by Leon Trotsky (real name: Lev Davidovich Bronstein), following the 1917 October revolution and the execution of the Romanov family. The history of the Intervention appears to have been something of a “gloss” over the actual motivations which are still laden with intrigue over America and Britain in 1919 not wishing a communist Russia to have control over a European union of national states; combined with the anti-Tsarist, American exiles seeking retribution for the anti-Jewish pogroms in Russia of the 1880s and 1903-1906. Eventually, the 1919 Peace Treaties created new countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania that Germany had taken from Russia in 1917 and created a new nation-state of Poland from West Prussia and Upper Silesia, which formed a barrier between communist Russia and western Europe.
The fighting in North Russia in 1919 is one reason why the Allied Victory medal is lettered “The Great War for Civilisation 1914 – 1919”. The British commander in Russia was Edmund Ironside on whom John Buchan’s character, Richard Hannay, was modelled in the novel “The Thirty-Nine Steps”. Ironside planned Britain’s invasion defences in the Second World War but was sacked by Churchill.
John Dunn was eventually promoted to Sergeant and he qualified for the 1914-15 Star; the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
As there is no individual service record for John Dunn, the detail presented on this web forum has been suggested in good faith and is offered for general information purposes. It is not possible to warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Peter
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 7:53 PM

Dear. Alan, Thank you for all the information on sgt John Dunn another fine job,
Best Regards Peter
Posted by: Brian Renshall {Email left}
Location: Rainhill
Date: Saturday 2nd April 2016 at 6:15 PM
Alan, could you provide any information you can find on Pte 42145 Arthur Edis who enlisted into the Sherwood Forresters in December 1915.

Thank you
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 1:35 PM

Dear Brian,
Arthur Edis was a tramcar conductor of 77 Ewart Road, Nottingham, when he volunteered under the Derby Scheme of deferred enlistment on 12th December 1915. He was the son of William and Ada Edis of Brighton Street, Nottingham and was born in 1889. William was a gas lamp lighter for the Corporation. Arthur was called up on 10th April 1916 and trained with the 4th (Extra Reserve) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) which was based at Sunderland on coastal defence duties. On the 16th July 1916 Arthur was sent to France where he was posted to the 17th Battalion Sherwood Foresters in the 39th Division. He would have been involved in fighting on the Ancre and for the Thiepval Ridge before he was returned to England suffering from an unstated sickness. He had served 80 days in France. In England he was discharged as no longer physically fit on 11th December 1916. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal and was granted a Silver War Badge. He was married to Ada Watkinson in 1912 and gave his address in 1916 as 3 Sabina Terrace, Sabina Street, Nottingham. He died in 1949.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Brian Renshall
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 2:38 PM

Many thanks Alan for your very prompt reply
Reply from: Colin Edis
Date: Wednesday 10th January 2018 at 7:16 PM

Thanks gentlemen,this is my granddad and whilst I'm aware of some information, it's good to see it fleshed out like this.
I've been interested to try and find out about his medical condition whilst in hospital at Rainhill,any thoughts?
All the best,

Colin Edis
Posted by: Gloria Kelley {Email left}
Location: Rockhampton Queensland Austrlia
Date: Friday 1st April 2016 at 10:55 PM
Hi, I am looking for information on Ernest Handley (No. 23897) who was Australian & enlisted in the RFC (6 Squadron). He died in a flying accident at Brooklands on 20/8/1917. A document held at the National Archives of Australia shows that he was transferred to the Australian Imperial Force but the transfer seems to be only because he was a casualty. Would this be correct? I have some information on the fatal accident as it is well documented. He was also in Abeele, France in 1916 for a short time. On the transfer form to the AIF, there is a reference: Proelicas 39706/9889 D?? London 19.9.1917. I am trying to put together his service with 6 squadron - I have copies of the accidents forms, his attestation form, the cascard for the Brooklands accident but none of these documents document his service in detail. i.e. when did he return to England from Abeele?, was he still in 6 squadron while he was teaching at the Wireless School at Brooklands (fatal accident)? I am hoping the Proeclicas 39706/9889 may give me further information, but where do I look for it? Would it be held at TNA? Many thanks, Gloria
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 2nd April 2016 at 4:25 PM

Dear Gloria,
No individual service record has survived for Ernest Handley so it is not possible to state his wartime service. Most service records were destroyed in 1940 during the bombing of London. Proelicas was a telegraphic address for the office dealing with casualty reports and the reference you have probably refers to a telegram notifying Sgt Handley’s record office of his accident. The telegram would be signed "Proelicas" which is from the Latin "proelium" meaning battle and the abbreviation "cas" meaning casualty. The telegram might have been placed in his file, in which case it would not have survived.
Ernest Handley qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service outside the United Kingdom before December 31st 1915, he did not serve abroad until some date after January 1st 1916.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Glorie Kelley
Date: Saturday 2nd April 2016 at 10:25 PM

Hi Alan,
Thank you - your response clarifies why there is no service record and saves me many hours of searching for information which no longer exists.
Kind regards,
Goria Kelley
Posted by: Howard Barkell {Email left}
Location: Lydford Devon
Date: Friday 1st April 2016 at 5:04 PM
Dear Alan,
Please can you help put some flesh on my grandfather's war record? Gnr. (Dvr)James Neill, (12733) 1021351, Royal Horse (Field) Artillery was at Ambala when war broke out. I understood that he served in the Dardanelles (never Gallipoli), was hospitalised in Malta, then after a spell in England spent the rest of the war on the Western Front. His medal record might seem to disprove the first, army record just says Mediterranean 16.3.15 -17.7.15 and later France 7.11.15 - 13.10.18. 15th Brigade is mentioned in January 1915, Depot "P" in September '15 and 5th Brigade from November '15 until his return to England and Ripon in October 1918.
Here's hoping!
Howard
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 2nd April 2016 at 12:01 PM

Dear Howard,
As I have not seen James Neill’s service record I can’t state his wartime service in detail. It would be necessary to know in which Batteries of the Royal Horse Artillery (R.H.A.) he had served and when. He appears to have been a career soldier serving some 23 years from 1900. In the 1911 census of England he was recorded at Wellington Lines, Aldershot, where he was a storeman with the Royal Horse Artillery alongside the 1st Cavalry Brigade. A storeman was a respected role or task, and the soldier still had to be able to ride a horse or fire the guns if required. A single battery of the R.H.A. included five officers and two hundred men with six 13-pounder field guns and some 228 horses. Royal Horse Artillery units consisted of individual batteries designated by letters (A, B, C, etc.) that were brigaded together, usually in pairs. Batteries were sometimes moved between brigades, particularly during the war when the Artillery was under constant development and reform. Despite the 2016 commemoration of the infantry losses on the Somme in 1916, it is generally appreciated that the First World War was an artillery war. Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail states: “Noted historian John Terraine said in his excellent “White Heat - the New Warfare 1914-18”: “The war of 1914-18 was an artillery war: artillery was the battle-winner, artillery was what caused the greatest loss of life, the most dreadful wounds, and the deepest fear”.
The Brigades of the R.H.A. were formally designated by Roman numerals. The Royal Horse Artillery supported mounted cavalry brigades while the Field Artillery supported the infantry battalions. Recall the King’s Troop Royal Horse Artillery firing Royal salutes in Hyde Park and Green Park, London. Details of the R.H.A. Brigades are shown on Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail. See:
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/the-royal-horse-artillery/
An Army medal rolls index-card for James Neill, 12733, recorded that the theatre of war (T of W) and dates of entry therein were altered by authority of the R.H.A. from “ (2B) Balkans 16.3.15” to “ (3) 30.3.15” where the (3) indicated landfall in Egypt, possibly en route to Lemnos. It appears that while his record might have retained the dates the complete Battery sailed from Avonmouth for Gallipoli (16.3.15), James was probably in a rear party that sailed two weeks later and arrived in Egypt on March 30th 1915. That would be applicable if James were still a storeman as was shown in the 1911 census.
I Brigade R.H.A. was with the Regular British Army in India at Ambala in 1914 consisting of A Battery (The Chestnut Troop) and B Battery, but with B Battery moving to England in November 1914. India was not a theatre of war and many regular units were removed to England at the outbreak of war. XV [15] Brigade RHA was formed at Leamington, Warwickshire, England, in January 1915 and included B Battery of I Brigade R.H.A. out of Ambala from the 25th January 1915. XV Brigade R.H.A. then served with 29th Division at Gallipoli and was evacuated from Gallipoli, via Mudros on the Greek island of Lemnos, to Egypt for a few weeks from January to March 1916 before sailing to Marseilles, France, and the Western Front in March 1916.
Malta was a coaling station on the Mediterranean sea routes and the island was used as a hospital base for the Mediterranean and Dardanelles; whilst Egypt was a landing stage on the way to Mudros, so it is possible James spent some time at Mudros, which was the island base used for operations at Gallipoli, across the Aegean Sea. Again, this would be particularly relevant had he been a storeman, who might well have been based at Mudros and not Gallipoli itself. Having been removed to England from the Aegean or Mediterranean on 17th July 1915, probably by hospital ship, and having become fit again, he would have been at P Battery Woolwich Depot in September 1915 which was part of X [10] Reserve Brigade at the R.H.A. Depot at Woolwich, London. A reserve brigade was a temporary holding and training brigade from which men were posted elsewhere. From there, James would have been posted to France as part of a draft of reinforcements or casualty replacements.
You state James arrived in France on 7th November 1915. He would then have joined V Brigade R.H.A. after spending a few days at a base depot on the French coast from which he would have been posted to V Brigade serving in the field in Flanders or France.
V Brigade R.H.A. served with the 8th Division until 13th January 1917, when V Brigade left 8th Division and became V Army Brigade R.H.A.. In the 1918 order of battle, V Army Brigade R.H.A. was under the control of IV Army at the Armistice. A “Brigade” of the R.H.A. came under the control of an army Division. An “Army Brigade” of R.H.A. came under the control of a higher level of command at Corps or Army level. For the locations of 8 Division, see:
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/8th-division/
James Neill appears not to have been in France at the time of the Armistice of November 1918 and had been passed through the Royal Artillery Command Depot at Ripon in Yorkshire, England; an ancient cathedral city that had been turned into a very large garrison. The new seven-digit Army number 1021351 showed James continued to serve after August 1920 when the old “regimental numbers” were replaced with individual “Army numbers” in a continuous series. The numbers between 721001 and 1396000 were allotted to the R.H.A..
The war diary (1916 onwards) for 15 Brigade R.H.A. can be purchased for download from:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7353540
The war diary of 5 Brigade R.H.A. can be purchased for download (£3.45) from:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7352458
The war diary of 5 Army Brigade R.H.A. can be purchased for download from:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/d1f6d6daccf148c99760925f1db20107
James Neill qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal and probably the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal.
As I have not seen James Neill’s service record, the detail presented on this web forum has been suggested in good faith and is offered for general information purposes based on the information and dates you have provided; the fact he was in Ambala; and the Brigades and history of the R.H.A.. It is not possible to warrant the accuracy or completeness of this information.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Howard Barkell
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 2:04 PM

Dear Alan,
Thank you for your additional information and useful suggestions for follow up. It seems as though my grandfather may have stayed with A Battery through Woolwich, Aldershot, South Africa and India. The Chestnut Troop is mentioned during this time and I believe the families went to Simla during the hot season. No batteries are mentioned during WW1, but he seemed to remember Broken Wheel Battery from my time in the Artillery.
Thank you so much.
Howard
Posted by: Brian Renshall {Email left}
Location: Rainhill
Date: Thursday 31st March 2016 at 6:34 PM
Alan, I realise that without a service number it is difficult to trace someone but I wonder if you could find "anything" about a soldier named Ray Carlton thought to have served with the Sherwood Forresters.he was injured in France around September 1916 and sent to Tower VAD Hospital,Rainhill
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 31st March 2016 at 9:36 PM

Dear Brian,
There is no record of a Ray or Raymond Carlton in the U.K. prior to the First World War and old enough to have served in the war. There is no medal roll entry for anyone named Carlton serving in the Sherwood Forresters, nor a similar or likely Charlton. There is no comparable record for a Roy Carlton, nor for any R. Carlton. It is possible Ray was a pet name or a middle name that was represented by the initial R. in online indexes but there is still no obvious record.
With kind regards,
Alan

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