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Posted by: Pete {Email left}
Location: Yorkshire
Date: Wednesday 13th April 2016 at 10:49 PM
Dear Alan
I would be most grateful if you can give me any information about Frederick Cornish. It would appear that he served in both the Navy --British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924 Frederick Cornish Service number 230718 Birth date 26 Feb 1888 Birth place Battersea, London and then in the RAF for the period of WW1. I am not sure what happened to him during that time, as I have not traced him in later years.

Many thanks,
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 14th April 2016 at 7:35 PM

Dear Pete,
Frederick Cornish enlisted in the Royal Navy on 17th May 1904, aged 16. He was 5ft 4ins; had black hair, blue eyes and a dark complexion. He trained as a Boy Second Class at Torpoint, Devon, on HMS Lion. On 5th December 1904 he was rated Boy First Class. On 5th February 1906 he joined HMS Ocean on which he served in the Mediterranean and Home waters until June 1908 when he was based at Chatham. He was rated Ordinary Seaman on 26th February 1906, which was his eighteenth birthday, when he started 12 years continuous service as a man. Eleven months later he was rated Able Seaman in January 1907. He was based at Chatham until 23rd September 1908. He then served on HMS Cadmus in the Far East. In the 1911 census he was recorded on board HMS Cadmus “in harbour” in China. From 12th October 1911 he joined the shore station “Tamar” at Hong Kong. He spent three months administered by Tamar and a few weeks on HMS Kent before returning to the UK at the end of 1911. In March 1912 he joined HMS Glory (Home Fleet, the Nore, Thames estuary) for a year. From June to November 1913 he was with HMS Endeavour (survey ship). He was administered by Chatham until April 15th 1914 when he was again with Endeavour until 5th February 1915, probably at the Nore, Thames estuary. He then joined HMS Forward for three weeks with the 7th Destroyer Flotilla in the Humber.
From 25th March 1915 he served with the Royal Naval Air Service. He was rated Air Mechanic Class 1 on 5th June 1915; then Leading Mechanic (15th December 1916) and then Petty Officer Mechanic from 1st August 1917. It appears he spent from 1915 to the end of 1917 with the R.N.A.S. in the “E.M. Sqdn” which would have been in the Eastern Mediterranean Squadron that was later re-named the Aegean Squadron. His R.N.A.S. record does not identify any ships or bases.
At the end of 1917, Frederick returned to England and he was at Crystal Palace and Wormwood Scrubs, London, from January to March 1918. Wormwood Scrubs (the open space, not the prison) had been the site of an airship base since 1910. The Daily Mail Airship Garage was built shortly afterwards on the site of what is now the Linford Christie Stadium. In the Great War there was a Wormwood Scrubs Royal Naval Air Station and its airship shed was used to train RNAS armoured car crews. Curiously, the Royal Naval Air Service operated Rolls Royce armoured cars intended for rescuing downed air-crew from enemy territory. Wormwood Scrubs was also home to what became the R.A.F.’s No. 10 Mechanical Transport Repair Depot, so it would be logical that Frederick was working on Mechanical Transport at Wormwood Scrubs just before and after the formation of the R.A.F. in April 1918.
On April 1st 1918 the R.N.A.S. and the Royal Flying Corps became the newly-formed Royal Air Force. Frederick Cornish served with the R.A.F. until January 1919 when he reverted to the Royal Navy until 29th April 1920.
On Friday 26th September 1919, Goddard and Smith Auctioneers offered on behalf of the Ministry of Munitions a Leyland and Peerless mobile Workshop (Peerless was a U.S. chassis manufacturer); a Leyland Ambulance; a Clement-Talbot Wagonette; and a number of second-hand motor lorries; tenders and vans by Maudsley; Peerless; A.E.C.; Crossley and Ford, for auction at 11 a.m. precisely at No 10 M.T. Repair Depot (Royal Air Force) Wormwood Scrubs (The Times [London] 23rd September 1919: page 18; via The Times Digital Archive.) And so began the British road haulage industry.
Records of individuals in the Royal Air Force are available at The National Archives, Kew, Surrey, or online via the (pay as you go) website. I am unable to transcribe any information from that website as it would be a breach of their terms and conditions.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Pete
Date: Friday 15th April 2016 at 10:12 PM

Hello Alan, Many thanks for this wonderful description of Frederick's service. It just amazes me as to how quickly and efficiently you manage to retrieve all the information for us.
It really does fill in a good part of his life history. I have now discovered that his father Henry J Cornish born 1845 also went to sea as a boy.

Once again, many thanks

Posted by: Jon {No contact email}
Location: Glasgow
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 2:47 PM
Hi Alan,

I was wondering if you could find out any information for some friends, you have been a great help to me in the past.

Rifleman Samuel Gray, 192, 12th Royal Irish Rifles, He was killed on the 25th October 1918 and is buried in Harelbeke Military Cemetery.

Any information would be greatly appreciated

Kind Regards, Jon
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 5:53 PM

Dear Jon,
There is no surviving service record for Samuel Gray so it is not possible to state his military service in detail. He was born at Ballymoney, Co. Antrim; enlisted at Ballymoney and had married a woman named Nancy. The Army medal rolls recorded he served in the 12th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles and went to France on 5th October 1915. The 12th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles was raised in September 1914 from the Antrim Volunteers. In November 1914 it joined 108th Infantry Brigade with the 36th (Ulster) Division at Newtonards. In July 1915 the Battalion moved to Seaford, Sussex, before sailing to France in October 1915. Rifleman Gray had the regimental number 192 which indicates an early enlistment as the numbers would have run from 1 to 1,000 or more.
It seems therefore that he served with the 12th Battalion until he was killed in action on 25th October 1918 which date coincided with the The Action of Ooteghem in Flanders. The engagements of the 36th Division are shown on Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail. See:
Rifleman Gray qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
The war diary of the 12th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles can be downloaded (cost £3.45) from:
After the war, his widow, Nancy, lived at Culduff, Ballymoney.
With kind regards,

Posted by: Bella {Email left}
Location: Esher
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 7:07 AM
Dear Alan,

Re my message to you Monday 4h April. I contacted Bob, Editor and he passed my message on.

I had an email from Brisbane this am. Very exciting. Will have lots to tell her plus certificates of B.M.D. photographs plus she has a cousin in California whom I am visiting in September and, wait... a cousin in Queensland! Can't wait to tell them.

I just want to thank you for all your help, past and present and it was pure fluke that I read Jenny's message to you 6 months ago. I often read your message board as I find is so fascinating but I don't usually read that far back. What are the chances, A message to those out there, never give up and miracles happen, thanks to you. Have also written to Bob the Editor thanking him.

With kind regards.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 11:32 AM

Dear Bella,
I am pleased we have been able to help. Bob will be happy too as he arranges that side of things. Start collecting your air-miles!
With kind regards,
Reply from: Bella
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 2:29 PM

Thanks for reply.

Will keep you posted and appreciate all help.

With kind regards.

Posted by: Donald Sisson {Email left}
Location: Barnsley
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 4:18 PM
Can you help with any info on Daniel Lee Service numbers 1174 or 3062 he could have been born in 1884 in Barnsley and could have served in the York and Lancs. Regiment but also could have been in the Royal Defence Corps in 1919?(8119). I was given this information by a friend who is looking into why she was left 2 Boer War Medals with her grandmothers effects of some one she does not think is a relative.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 7:58 PM

Dear Donald,
Daniel Lee who served in the York and Lancaster Regiment in South Africa and who served in the Royal Defence Corps in the First World War was born in 1874 at Barnsley (GRO Births, April – June 1874, Barnsley, Yorkshire West Riding; Vol 9c; page 182). From the 1881 census he appears to be the son of Daniel and Elizabeth (née Armitage) Lee of Pall Mall, Barnsley. He lived at Pall Mall, Barnsley with his widowed mother in 1891. He enlisted in the 1st Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment in September 1891 and served with the regimental number 3062. He was discharged on 9th March 1899 but was recalled in November that year to fight in the Second Anglo-Boar War (1899 – 1902) in South Africa. He qualified for the Queen’s South Africa medal with six clasps (which is rare): Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, and Laing’s Nek. He qualified for the King’s South Africa Medal with clasps for 1901 and 1902. He was discharged on 27th April 1903. His relative was recorded as Elizabeth; Pall Mall; Barnsley, which would have been his mother.
In the 1911 census he was recorded as a 36 year old, single, miner, living as a boarder in the home of William and Sarah Ellis at 12 Honeywell Street, Barnsley. A boarder was usually a relative who ate meals at the family table, whereas a lodger generally would not.
Daniel Lee, aged 41, of 12 Honeywell Street, Barnsley, enlisted in the Local Guard of the Territorial Force in Barnsley on 10th January 1915 and two days later was posted to the West Riding of York National Reserve (Mobilized) at York with the regimental number 1174. His next-of-kin was his sister, Sarah Ellis, who was the wife of William Ellis with whom he boarded. He was a former soldier who was by then over 40 and medically graded as B II (able to walk five miles, see and hear sufficiently for ordinary purposes). He had suffered a hernia and rheumatism. The National Reserve was formed in 1913 from the former Veterans’ Reserve. Once the West Riding National Reserve was mobilized it served as a supernumerary company of the 5th Battalion Prince of Wales’s Own (West Yorkshire Regiment). Daniel was promoted to corporal on 22nd July 1915. Upon the formation of the Royal Defence Corps on 29th April 1916, his service transferred to the R.D.C. with the regimental number 8119 and served with 154 Protection Company R.D.C.. Protection Companies provided men to guard key points and installations. He was appointed an acting-sergeant on 11th November 1918. He was dispersed from Clipstone Camp, Nottinghamshire, and was discharged from the army on 23rd March 1919, stating his address would be 12, Honeywell Street, Barnsley.
He appears to have died in 1937 (GRO Deaths, April – June 1937, Barnsley; Vol 9c; page 234; age 63).
With kind regards,
Posted by: Paul Villiers {Email left}
Location: Somping
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 9:07 AM
You could message susie.....Regard,,,,Paul Villiers
Reply from: Donald
Date: Thursday 14th April 2016 at 8:42 AM

Thanks for this. The information is great.
I have made a donation to your charity
I might be back!

Posted by: Julie Knott {Email left}
Location: Jarrahdale West Aust
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 6:44 AM
Hello Alan,
Are you able to access WW11 records?. I am trying to find the records of my husbands father
John (Jack) Arthur Knott Driver RASC K13660. Born 25th Sept.1919 Died 22nd May 1972. His address at the time of death 9 Grange Road Hersham. It would be a puzzle we could put together if we could find his records.
My husband never knew his farther or Mother or indeed any of his family as he was put into an orphanage as a young toddler. My husband was born on the 28th Jan 1945. And shipped to Western Australia 1953. He was one of the children of the Lost Empire. Along with many for that came to a land that they did not know. Thanking you in anticipation Julie Knott
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 11:55 AM

Dear Julie,
Records of individuals from the Second World War are not in the public domain and are held by the U.K. Ministry of Defence. The M.o.D will release certain details about deceased service personnel to next-of-kin or general enquirers for a fee of £30.00. You will need proof of death. See:
With kind regards,
Reply from: Julie Knott
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 12:30 PM

Thank you so much for your prompt reply will follow up on you info.
Reply from: Julie Knott
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 12:31 PM

Thank you so much for your prompt reply will follow up on your info. Once again many thanks
Posted by: Taffycoop {Email left}
Location: Livingston
Date: Friday 8th April 2016 at 4:30 PM
My Grandfather William Sherborn served with M G C during WW1,he was killed in action 12thApril 1918 near Ploegsteert,I have his death penny but the Victory and war medals are missing.
Has anyone come across them,I would love to unite the three
Posted by: Hazel Smith {Email left}
Location: Redruth
Date: Wednesday 6th April 2016 at 9:43 PM
Hi Alan
Hope you are well ,,and can help with any info on this one please ,,,always appreciated

Edward Collick age 26 from Godolphin Cross, Helston Cornwall... DCLI
Sorry not much info Alan

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 7th April 2016 at 2:14 PM

Dear Hazel,
The birth of Edward Wesley Collick was registered in the third quarter of 1890 at Helston Registration District, Cornwall. The 1891 census showed he was the son of Thomas Collick, a tin miner and (later) a clay miner and his wife Mary. In the 1911 census Edward was recorded as a china clay miner, aged 21, single, living with his parents at Breage, Cornwall.
No individual military service record has survived so it is not possible to be precise about his wartime service. An Army medal roll recorded he had served with the 10th Battalion Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry (D.C.L.I.) who were also known as the Cornwall Pioneers. The 10th D.C.L.I. was raised at Truro from 29th March 1915 with finance from the Mayor of the city. The Battalion trained from June 1915 at Penzance and then from October 1915 at Hayle near Penzance. On the 20th June 1916 the Battalion had been sent to France to be the pioneer battalion for the 2nd Division. A pioneer battalion was a labouring battalion that dug trenches and under took other labouring work under the supervision of the Royal Engineers attached to the infantry brigades of a Division.
Edward Collick was presumed dead and killed in action on 27th July 1916. He was probably killed during the fighting at Delville Wood. He has no marked grave and is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial to the Missing of the Somme, in France, and on a granite war memorial in Godolphin churchyard. Edward qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Hazel Smith
Date: Friday 8th April 2016 at 3:33 PM

Many thanks Alan , as always ..The RBL will benefit with my donation
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 8:00 PM

Dear Hazel,
Thank you for making a donation to the Royal British Legion.
Posted by: Bella {Email left}
Location: Esher
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:08 PM
Dear Alan,

I hope I find you in good health.

I have been researching and happen to see some correspondence dated WEDNESDAY, 28th OCTOBER 2015 11.28am from a JENNY W, BRISBANE. I continued reading and couldn't believe what I was seeing! This person was trying to trace family of her GRANDFATHER who was the son of MY GRANDFATHER WILLIAM JOHN WHITEHEAD. (Just reaching for the wine!) The names she mentions are all relevant, particularly that of his wife, ELIZABETH BYRNE WHITEHEAD, (assuming she knows not of the 2nd wife, my Grandmother!Can you tell me how I could contact her, it says email left, and do you think it would be possible to contact her. I have much information, certificates, some photographs.

I await your comments and now on my second glass, albeit small!

With kind regards.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:23 PM

Dear Bella,
I never get to see private e-mail addresses on the forum as they are protected.
Instructions for contacting the editor are at the very top of the page. He will forward a request.
Reply from: Bella Esher
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:38 PM

Dear Alan,

Many thanks for your quick response. Will do.

With kind regards

Posted by: Brian Renshall {Email left}
Location: Rainhill
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 6:23 PM
Alan, I am looking for information on L/Cpl 241560 William Titterington of the South Lancs Regiment in particular where he was born or resided on enlistment. I believe he died in action on11th,August 1917
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 5th April 2016 at 2:29 PM

Dear Brian,
The CWGC Debt of Honour recorded William Titterington died on 14th August 1917 aged 36, and was buried at Estaires, near Armentieres, which was the location of some Field Ambulances. Estaires Communal Cemetery Extension was used by them from April 1917 to April 1918.
The Imperial War Graves Commission verification form of 1921-22 recorded William was the son of James and Ann Bartholomew (sic) Titterington, of 24, Springfield Road, Thatto Heath; and the husband of Martha Titterington, of 128, Elephant Lane, Thatto Heath, St. Helens, Lancs..
“Soldiers Died in the Great War” (HMSO 1921) recorded Lance-corporal William Titterington, 241560, died of wounds on 14th August 1917. He had been born in Bradford, Lancashire (correct) and had enlisted at St Helens, but that doesn’t mean he lived in St Helens.
The birth of a William Titterington was recorded in 1881 in the Prestwich registration district. The 1881 census showed William, age two months, was the third child of James and Ann Titterington living at 56, Chatham Street, Bradford, Prestwich, Lancashire. The father, James, was a wheelwright. William’s older brother was recorded as John, born 1872 at Ardwick [born Oct – Dec 1871. Ardwick was in Chorlton Registration District).
Bradford, Prestwich, Lancashire, sometimes known as Bradford-cum-Beswick, was a township and a chapelry in Manchester parish, four miles east of the city centre.
The surname Titterington is derived from the habitational name of the village Tytherington in Cheshire and is perhaps derived from the old English for a farmstead. The name is frequently found in North-west England.
The parish register of St Ann’s, Rainhill, recorded a baptism of a Mary Ann Titherington (sic) the daughter of James Bartholomew Titherington (a joiner) and Ann Titherington of Rainhill, on June 8th 1883. In 1884 the register recorded the baptism of a James Titterington, also the child of James Bartholomew and Ann Titterington, of Rainhill. James the father was a wheelwright. The child, James, had been born on 11th July 1884, and was baptised on August 21st 1884. The entry is marked P D which implies the baptism was “P” private (at home because of ill-health) and the child had since “D” died. The death of a James Titterington born in 1884 was registered in the last quarter of 1884 in the Prescot District. These two baptism entries suggest the family had moved to Rainhill by 1883.
The death of a James Bartholomew Titterington (born about 1843) was recorded at Prestwich, Lancashire, in 1901.
In the 1901 census William Titterington was recorded as a glass polisher, single, aged 20, living with his brother, John, at 62, Grant Street, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire. His brother John, who was the householder, stated they both had been born at Rainhill, which was not true, but they were probably raised there in childhood and might not have been aware of their actual birthplaces for the census record.
In the 1911 census, William Titterington, age 30, single, born Manchester, coal miner (hewer below ground), was a lodger at the home of Martha Platt, aged 32, widow, born St Helens, who had eight children aged between one and 13 years old. They all resided at Shuttleworth Cottage, Rainhill, Lancashire, in 1911, and address that had four rooms including the kitchen according to the census. William signed the household return, as if he were the householder, although it had been addressed to Martha Platt.
In the third quarter of 1912, a William Titherington (sic) married a Martha Platt in the Prescott Registration District of Lancashire that included Rainhill. The Army Register of Soldiers’ Effects recorded Lance-corporal William Titterington’s sole legatee was his widow Martha.
William Titterington had served in the 2nd/5th Battalion Prince of Wales’s Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment). The Battalion was raised in September 1914 at St Helens and served in the 57th Division, training at Ashford in 1915, Aldershot in 1916 and Blackdown from October 1916. The Battalion went to France on 20th February 1917. See Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail at:
The 2/5th Battalion was in the Flamengrie Subsector (Grande Flamengrie Farm, Bois Grenier, south of Armentieres) in August 1917 and was very active in trench raiding parties and repelling enemy raids. Only two-thirds of the Battalion were in the trenches. The rest were in the rear with stores (32); forty with transport; 21 bandsmen who were also stretcher bearers; thirty eight away on training courses; 83 detached to other units; and 17 in hospital.
William died of wounds apparently while at a Field Ambulance at Estaires, which was close to the Front. That indicated he had not been evacuated further to the rear beyond a couple of villages. The nearest fighting incident by the Battalion to the date of his death at Estaires was two nights earlier on the night of 11th/12th August 1917 when the 2/5th Battalion was trying to explode Bangalore torpedoes beneath the enemy barbed-wire during trench raiding operations. Four parties successively crossed No Man’s Land at different times of the night. Each of the first three parties found their Bangalore torpedoes failed to explode because of damp fuzes and the men had to return to their trenches. A fourth party was rallied and crossed No Man’s Land in the dark but only the detonator of their torpedo exploded with bang and a cloud of smoke. By that time, the enemy was on high alert and attacked the South Lancashire raiding party, wounding one man. At least two of the enemy fell to the ground; one kicked between the legs. The one wounded man from the 2/5th South Lancashire Regiment could have been William.
William qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
I can’t tell you his address on enlistment, as there is no service record for him. There were two births registered at Prescot District in Jan – March 1913, apparently twins, George and Martha Titterington whose mother’s maiden name was Platt, so William might have been at Rainhill in 1913.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Brian Renshall
Date: Tuesday 5th April 2016 at 6:35 PM

Alan, thank you for as ever your extremely comprehensive reply.

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