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Posted by: Bella {Email left}
Location: Esher
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 7:07 AM
Dear Alan,

Re my message to you Monday 4h April. I contacted Bob, Editor and he passed my message on.

I had an email from Brisbane this am. Very exciting. Will have lots to tell her plus certificates of B.M.D. photographs plus she has a cousin in California whom I am visiting in September and, wait... a cousin in Queensland! Can't wait to tell them.

I just want to thank you for all your help, past and present and it was pure fluke that I read Jenny's message to you 6 months ago. I often read your message board as I find is so fascinating but I don't usually read that far back. What are the chances, A message to those out there, never give up and miracles happen, thanks to you. Have also written to Bob the Editor thanking him.

With kind regards.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 11:32 AM

Dear Bella,
I am pleased we have been able to help. Bob will be happy too as he arranges that side of things. Start collecting your air-miles!
With kind regards,
Reply from: Bella
Date: Tuesday 12th April 2016 at 2:29 PM

Thanks for reply.

Will keep you posted and appreciate all help.

With kind regards.

Posted by: Donald Sisson {Email left}
Location: Barnsley
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 4:18 PM
Can you help with any info on Daniel Lee Service numbers 1174 or 3062 he could have been born in 1884 in Barnsley and could have served in the York and Lancs. Regiment but also could have been in the Royal Defence Corps in 1919?(8119). I was given this information by a friend who is looking into why she was left 2 Boer War Medals with her grandmothers effects of some one she does not think is a relative.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 7:58 PM

Dear Donald,
Daniel Lee who served in the York and Lancaster Regiment in South Africa and who served in the Royal Defence Corps in the First World War was born in 1874 at Barnsley (GRO Births, April – June 1874, Barnsley, Yorkshire West Riding; Vol 9c; page 182). From the 1881 census he appears to be the son of Daniel and Elizabeth (née Armitage) Lee of Pall Mall, Barnsley. He lived at Pall Mall, Barnsley with his widowed mother in 1891. He enlisted in the 1st Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment in September 1891 and served with the regimental number 3062. He was discharged on 9th March 1899 but was recalled in November that year to fight in the Second Anglo-Boar War (1899 – 1902) in South Africa. He qualified for the Queen’s South Africa medal with six clasps (which is rare): Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Transvaal, Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith, and Laing’s Nek. He qualified for the King’s South Africa Medal with clasps for 1901 and 1902. He was discharged on 27th April 1903. His relative was recorded as Elizabeth; Pall Mall; Barnsley, which would have been his mother.
In the 1911 census he was recorded as a 36 year old, single, miner, living as a boarder in the home of William and Sarah Ellis at 12 Honeywell Street, Barnsley. A boarder was usually a relative who ate meals at the family table, whereas a lodger generally would not.
Daniel Lee, aged 41, of 12 Honeywell Street, Barnsley, enlisted in the Local Guard of the Territorial Force in Barnsley on 10th January 1915 and two days later was posted to the West Riding of York National Reserve (Mobilized) at York with the regimental number 1174. His next-of-kin was his sister, Sarah Ellis, who was the wife of William Ellis with whom he boarded. He was a former soldier who was by then over 40 and medically graded as B II (able to walk five miles, see and hear sufficiently for ordinary purposes). He had suffered a hernia and rheumatism. The National Reserve was formed in 1913 from the former Veterans’ Reserve. Once the West Riding National Reserve was mobilized it served as a supernumerary company of the 5th Battalion Prince of Wales’s Own (West Yorkshire Regiment). Daniel was promoted to corporal on 22nd July 1915. Upon the formation of the Royal Defence Corps on 29th April 1916, his service transferred to the R.D.C. with the regimental number 8119 and served with 154 Protection Company R.D.C.. Protection Companies provided men to guard key points and installations. He was appointed an acting-sergeant on 11th November 1918. He was dispersed from Clipstone Camp, Nottinghamshire, and was discharged from the army on 23rd March 1919, stating his address would be 12, Honeywell Street, Barnsley.
He appears to have died in 1937 (GRO Deaths, April – June 1937, Barnsley; Vol 9c; page 234; age 63).
With kind regards,

Posted by: Paul Villiers {Email left}
Location: Somping
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 9:07 AM
You could message susie.....Regard,,,,Paul Villiers
Reply from: Donald
Date: Thursday 14th April 2016 at 8:42 AM

Thanks for this. The information is great.
I have made a donation to your charity
I might be back!
Posted by: Julie Knott {Email left}
Location: Jarrahdale West Aust
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 6:44 AM
Hello Alan,
Are you able to access WW11 records?. I am trying to find the records of my husbands father
John (Jack) Arthur Knott Driver RASC K13660. Born 25th Sept.1919 Died 22nd May 1972. His address at the time of death 9 Grange Road Hersham. It would be a puzzle we could put together if we could find his records.
My husband never knew his farther or Mother or indeed any of his family as he was put into an orphanage as a young toddler. My husband was born on the 28th Jan 1945. And shipped to Western Australia 1953. He was one of the children of the Lost Empire. Along with many for that came to a land that they did not know. Thanking you in anticipation Julie Knott
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 11:55 AM

Dear Julie,
Records of individuals from the Second World War are not in the public domain and are held by the U.K. Ministry of Defence. The M.o.D will release certain details about deceased service personnel to next-of-kin or general enquirers for a fee of £30.00. You will need proof of death. See:
With kind regards,
Reply from: Julie Knott
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 12:30 PM

Thank you so much for your prompt reply will follow up on you info.
Reply from: Julie Knott
Date: Saturday 9th April 2016 at 12:31 PM

Thank you so much for your prompt reply will follow up on your info. Once again many thanks
Posted by: Taffycoop {Email left}
Location: Livingston
Date: Friday 8th April 2016 at 4:30 PM
My Grandfather William Sherborn served with M G C during WW1,he was killed in action 12thApril 1918 near Ploegsteert,I have his death penny but the Victory and war medals are missing.
Has anyone come across them,I would love to unite the three

Posted by: Hazel Smith {Email left}
Location: Redruth
Date: Wednesday 6th April 2016 at 9:43 PM
Hi Alan
Hope you are well ,,and can help with any info on this one please ,,,always appreciated

Edward Collick age 26 from Godolphin Cross, Helston Cornwall... DCLI
Sorry not much info Alan

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 7th April 2016 at 2:14 PM

Dear Hazel,
The birth of Edward Wesley Collick was registered in the third quarter of 1890 at Helston Registration District, Cornwall. The 1891 census showed he was the son of Thomas Collick, a tin miner and (later) a clay miner and his wife Mary. In the 1911 census Edward was recorded as a china clay miner, aged 21, single, living with his parents at Breage, Cornwall.
No individual military service record has survived so it is not possible to be precise about his wartime service. An Army medal roll recorded he had served with the 10th Battalion Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry (D.C.L.I.) who were also known as the Cornwall Pioneers. The 10th D.C.L.I. was raised at Truro from 29th March 1915 with finance from the Mayor of the city. The Battalion trained from June 1915 at Penzance and then from October 1915 at Hayle near Penzance. On the 20th June 1916 the Battalion had been sent to France to be the pioneer battalion for the 2nd Division. A pioneer battalion was a labouring battalion that dug trenches and under took other labouring work under the supervision of the Royal Engineers attached to the infantry brigades of a Division.
Edward Collick was presumed dead and killed in action on 27th July 1916. He was probably killed during the fighting at Delville Wood. He has no marked grave and is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial to the Missing of the Somme, in France, and on a granite war memorial in Godolphin churchyard. Edward qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Hazel Smith
Date: Friday 8th April 2016 at 3:33 PM

Many thanks Alan , as always ..The RBL will benefit with my donation
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 11th April 2016 at 8:00 PM

Dear Hazel,
Thank you for making a donation to the Royal British Legion.
Posted by: Bella {Email left}
Location: Esher
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:08 PM
Dear Alan,

I hope I find you in good health.

I have been researching and happen to see some correspondence dated WEDNESDAY, 28th OCTOBER 2015 11.28am from a JENNY W, BRISBANE. I continued reading and couldn't believe what I was seeing! This person was trying to trace family of her GRANDFATHER who was the son of MY GRANDFATHER WILLIAM JOHN WHITEHEAD. (Just reaching for the wine!) The names she mentions are all relevant, particularly that of his wife, ELIZABETH BYRNE WHITEHEAD, (assuming she knows not of the 2nd wife, my Grandmother!Can you tell me how I could contact her, it says email left, and do you think it would be possible to contact her. I have much information, certificates, some photographs.

I await your comments and now on my second glass, albeit small!

With kind regards.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:23 PM

Dear Bella,
I never get to see private e-mail addresses on the forum as they are protected.
Instructions for contacting the editor are at the very top of the page. He will forward a request.
Reply from: Bella Esher
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 8:38 PM

Dear Alan,

Many thanks for your quick response. Will do.

With kind regards

Posted by: Brian Renshall {Email left}
Location: Rainhill
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 6:23 PM
Alan, I am looking for information on L/Cpl 241560 William Titterington of the South Lancs Regiment in particular where he was born or resided on enlistment. I believe he died in action on11th,August 1917
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 5th April 2016 at 2:29 PM

Dear Brian,
The CWGC Debt of Honour recorded William Titterington died on 14th August 1917 aged 36, and was buried at Estaires, near Armentieres, which was the location of some Field Ambulances. Estaires Communal Cemetery Extension was used by them from April 1917 to April 1918.
The Imperial War Graves Commission verification form of 1921-22 recorded William was the son of James and Ann Bartholomew (sic) Titterington, of 24, Springfield Road, Thatto Heath; and the husband of Martha Titterington, of 128, Elephant Lane, Thatto Heath, St. Helens, Lancs..
“Soldiers Died in the Great War” (HMSO 1921) recorded Lance-corporal William Titterington, 241560, died of wounds on 14th August 1917. He had been born in Bradford, Lancashire (correct) and had enlisted at St Helens, but that doesn’t mean he lived in St Helens.
The birth of a William Titterington was recorded in 1881 in the Prestwich registration district. The 1881 census showed William, age two months, was the third child of James and Ann Titterington living at 56, Chatham Street, Bradford, Prestwich, Lancashire. The father, James, was a wheelwright. William’s older brother was recorded as John, born 1872 at Ardwick [born Oct – Dec 1871. Ardwick was in Chorlton Registration District).
Bradford, Prestwich, Lancashire, sometimes known as Bradford-cum-Beswick, was a township and a chapelry in Manchester parish, four miles east of the city centre.
The surname Titterington is derived from the habitational name of the village Tytherington in Cheshire and is perhaps derived from the old English for a farmstead. The name is frequently found in North-west England.
The parish register of St Ann’s, Rainhill, recorded a baptism of a Mary Ann Titherington (sic) the daughter of James Bartholomew Titherington (a joiner) and Ann Titherington of Rainhill, on June 8th 1883. In 1884 the register recorded the baptism of a James Titterington, also the child of James Bartholomew and Ann Titterington, of Rainhill. James the father was a wheelwright. The child, James, had been born on 11th July 1884, and was baptised on August 21st 1884. The entry is marked P D which implies the baptism was “P” private (at home because of ill-health) and the child had since “D” died. The death of a James Titterington born in 1884 was registered in the last quarter of 1884 in the Prescot District. These two baptism entries suggest the family had moved to Rainhill by 1883.
The death of a James Bartholomew Titterington (born about 1843) was recorded at Prestwich, Lancashire, in 1901.
In the 1901 census William Titterington was recorded as a glass polisher, single, aged 20, living with his brother, John, at 62, Grant Street, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire. His brother John, who was the householder, stated they both had been born at Rainhill, which was not true, but they were probably raised there in childhood and might not have been aware of their actual birthplaces for the census record.
In the 1911 census, William Titterington, age 30, single, born Manchester, coal miner (hewer below ground), was a lodger at the home of Martha Platt, aged 32, widow, born St Helens, who had eight children aged between one and 13 years old. They all resided at Shuttleworth Cottage, Rainhill, Lancashire, in 1911, and address that had four rooms including the kitchen according to the census. William signed the household return, as if he were the householder, although it had been addressed to Martha Platt.
In the third quarter of 1912, a William Titherington (sic) married a Martha Platt in the Prescott Registration District of Lancashire that included Rainhill. The Army Register of Soldiers’ Effects recorded Lance-corporal William Titterington’s sole legatee was his widow Martha.
William Titterington had served in the 2nd/5th Battalion Prince of Wales’s Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment). The Battalion was raised in September 1914 at St Helens and served in the 57th Division, training at Ashford in 1915, Aldershot in 1916 and Blackdown from October 1916. The Battalion went to France on 20th February 1917. See Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail at:
The 2/5th Battalion was in the Flamengrie Subsector (Grande Flamengrie Farm, Bois Grenier, south of Armentieres) in August 1917 and was very active in trench raiding parties and repelling enemy raids. Only two-thirds of the Battalion were in the trenches. The rest were in the rear with stores (32); forty with transport; 21 bandsmen who were also stretcher bearers; thirty eight away on training courses; 83 detached to other units; and 17 in hospital.
William died of wounds apparently while at a Field Ambulance at Estaires, which was close to the Front. That indicated he had not been evacuated further to the rear beyond a couple of villages. The nearest fighting incident by the Battalion to the date of his death at Estaires was two nights earlier on the night of 11th/12th August 1917 when the 2/5th Battalion was trying to explode Bangalore torpedoes beneath the enemy barbed-wire during trench raiding operations. Four parties successively crossed No Man’s Land at different times of the night. Each of the first three parties found their Bangalore torpedoes failed to explode because of damp fuzes and the men had to return to their trenches. A fourth party was rallied and crossed No Man’s Land in the dark but only the detonator of their torpedo exploded with bang and a cloud of smoke. By that time, the enemy was on high alert and attacked the South Lancashire raiding party, wounding one man. At least two of the enemy fell to the ground; one kicked between the legs. The one wounded man from the 2/5th South Lancashire Regiment could have been William.
William qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
I can’t tell you his address on enlistment, as there is no service record for him. There were two births registered at Prescot District in Jan – March 1913, apparently twins, George and Martha Titterington whose mother’s maiden name was Platt, so William might have been at Rainhill in 1913.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Brian Renshall
Date: Tuesday 5th April 2016 at 6:35 PM

Alan, thank you for as ever your extremely comprehensive reply.
Posted by: Charlie Cockerline {Email left}
Location: St Thomas Ontario Canada
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 1:13 AM
Hi Alan:
I am researching the R.A.M.C. in ww1 trying to discover which Ambulance Unit L.-Cpl. Berthold Elliott Cockerline of Bradford, Yorks. might have been attached to while in France after attesting April 10, 1917 but so far have been unsuccessful. Is it possible that did Home Service instead?

Thanks and best,
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 1:57 PM

Dear Charlie,
Berthold Elliott Cockerline did not serve overseas. He was conscripted on 24th June 1916 and was medically downgraded because of a problem with his right foot. He was passed fit enough to serve in Garrisons at home and he was recommended to serve as a private in the R.A.M.C.. He was eventually called up on 10th April 1917. He was sent to the R.A.M.C. training centre at Blackpool on 12th April 1917 where he joined “Z” Company which was a training company. Initially, the men were placed in billets and trained on the sea-shore or promenade of Blackpool. But this organization was broken up in July 1917 when one large training centre with a separate mobilization depot was formed under the command of a surgeon-general. There were eight training battalions each consisting of 1,000 recruits.
After his training he was sent to join the Embarkation Staff of the R.A.M.C. which organised the reception of the wounded at Southampton Docks and Dover Harbour. The H.Q. was at Southampton. Berthold Cockerline arrived at Southampton on 9th July 1917. The R.A.M.C. Company at Southampton Docks was known as Port No. 1 Company R.A.M.C. until it was formed into No. 48 Company R.A.M.C. in August 1918. On 29th December 1918, Berthold Cockerline was appointed a Lance-corporal. He was demobilized from the army on 24th January 1919.
The strength of 48 Company R.A.M.C. varied from 300 upwards, and in addition to performing clerical and bearer duties at the reception and distributing centres, the Company supplied detachments for the ambulance trains and replaced casualties in hospital ships. Throughout the war 1914 -1919 the R.A.M.C. at Southampton received 1,317,638 casualties while Dover handled 1,293,345 casualties (“History of the Great War; Medical Services”, Maj-Gen W.G. Macpherson; 1921).
With kind regards,
Posted by: Peter {Email left}
Location: Billingham
Date: Saturday 2nd April 2016 at 8:47 PM
Dear Alan, can you please tell me if any record of 3-8076 Sgt J. Dunn York R from Norton Stockton on Tees, survived from the Great War.
Best Regards. Peter
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 3rd April 2016 at 1:56 PM

Dear Peter,
No individual service record has survived for J. Dunn 3-8076 Alexandra, Princess of Wales’s Own (Yorkshire Regiment) known as “The Green Howards”. He was John Dunn who had served in the Special Reserve before the war, indicated by the pre-fix 3 to his regimental number, 8076. Chris Baker’s website, The Long, Long Trail, explains the Special Reserve: “Men would enlist into the Special Reserve for 6 years and had to accept the possibility of being called up in the event of a general mobilisation and otherwise undertake all the same conditions as men of the Army Reserve. Their period as a Special Reservist started with six months full-time training (paid the same as a regular) and they had 3-4 weeks training per year thereafter. A man who had not served as a regular could extend his SR service by up to four years but could not serve beyond the age of 40. A former regular soldier who had completed his Army Reserve term could also re-enlist as a Special Reservist and serve up to the age of 42.” (© Chris Baker and Milverton Associates Ltd.
An Army medal roll recorded John Dunn served in wartime with the 6th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment (The Green Howards) and first served overseas from 28th September 1915 at Gallipoli. The 6th Battalion had landed there on 6th August 1915 with 11th (Northern) Division, so John would have been part of a draft of reinforcements and casualty replacements.
The 6th Battalion was withdrawn from the peninsula on 18th December 1915 and moved, via the Greek island of Imbros in the Aegean, to Alexandria, Egypt, on 7th February 1916. The Battalion then crossed to France, landing at Marseilles on July 1st 1916. The engagements of the 11th Division can be seen at:
On May 15th 1918, the 6th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment was reduced to cadre strength. Most men went to the 2nd Battalion and the remaining cadre returned to England where it merged with the new 19th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment and became part of 236th Infantry Brigade at Mytchett, Aldershot. The 236th Brigade then sailed for North Russia on 17th October 1918 and landed at Murmansk on 27th November 1918.
The 11th Division, in which he had served, began demobilization in January 1919 and had completed it in June 1919. The medal rolls noted that John Dunn served until 3rd August 1919 which was a very late date for discharge from the Army after the war had ended in 1918, and would, therefore, suggest he had served in Russia where the Allied Intervention Force was relieved in the autumn of 1919. The Allied Intervention in Russia was ostensibly to support the White Russian army, which was a loose confederation of anti-Communists led by Anton Denikin. He had been a general in the Imperial Russian Army from 1916 and afterwards the leading general of the White movement in the Russian Civil War. The White Russians then fought against the Red Russian army, who were known as the Bolsheviks, led by Leon Trotsky (real name: Lev Davidovich Bronstein), following the 1917 October revolution and the execution of the Romanov family. The history of the Intervention appears to have been something of a “gloss” over the actual motivations which are still laden with intrigue over America and Britain in 1919 not wishing a communist Russia to have control over a European union of national states; combined with the anti-Tsarist, American exiles seeking retribution for the anti-Jewish pogroms in Russia of the 1880s and 1903-1906. Eventually, the 1919 Peace Treaties created new countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania that Germany had taken from Russia in 1917 and created a new nation-state of Poland from West Prussia and Upper Silesia, which formed a barrier between communist Russia and western Europe.
The fighting in North Russia in 1919 is one reason why the Allied Victory medal is lettered “The Great War for Civilisation 1914 – 1919”. The British commander in Russia was Edmund Ironside on whom John Buchan’s character, Richard Hannay, was modelled in the novel “The Thirty-Nine Steps”. Ironside planned Britain’s invasion defences in the Second World War but was sacked by Churchill.
John Dunn was eventually promoted to Sergeant and he qualified for the 1914-15 Star; the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
As there is no individual service record for John Dunn, the detail presented on this web forum has been suggested in good faith and is offered for general information purposes. It is not possible to warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information.
With kind regards,
Reply from: Peter
Date: Monday 4th April 2016 at 7:53 PM

Dear. Alan, Thank you for all the information on sgt John Dunn another fine job,
Best Regards Peter

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