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Posted by: Teresa {Email left}
Location: Lancaster
Date: Tuesday 28th June 2016 at 8:08 PM
Hi i was wondering if you have any information regarding Walter Kendall 3rd reg kings royal riffles 8570 and i think C/12425 born Idle Yorkshire 1890 i am really struggling with were he served he was also awarded a special award? for seeing his company through the battle when his leading officer had fallen. I hope you can help many thanks teresa
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 28th June 2016 at 10:02 PM

Dear Teresa,
Walter Kendall, 8570 and Walter Kendall C/14245 were two separate individuals both of whom served in the King’s Royal Rifle Corps (K.R.R.C.) during the First World War but in different countries. No individual military service record has survived for either of them so it is not possible to further identify them from army records.
However, the 1911 census of military personnel serving overseas recorded a Walter Kendall, aged 21, born at Idle in Yorkshire who was serving at Dagshai, India, with the 3rd Battalion the King’s Royal Rifle Corps. The rifleman with the regimental number 8570 served in the 3rd Battalion King’s Royal Rifle Corps throughout the First World War as a regular army soldier, so he is the correct Walter Kendall, born at Idle in 1890.
The 3rd Battalion K.R.R.C. was at Meerut in August 1914 and returned to England from India at the outbreak of war, sailing from Bombay on 16th October 1914 for Plymouth. The Battalion joined the 80th Infantry Brigade at Winchester and on 21st December 1914 sailed for France to serve in the 27th Division, established between Aire and Arques, near St Omer, in the Pas de Calais. In 1915, as well as routine trench warfare, the Division fought at major engagements at The Action of St Eloi (14 – 15 March 1915) and then in The Second Battle of Ypres (22 April – 25 May 1915). In November 1915 the Division left France and sailed for Salonika in Greece to fight in Macedonia for the remainder of the war. For their major engagements there see Chris Baker’s website at:
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/27th-division/
The war diaries of the 3rd Battalion K.R.R.C. for 1914-1915 can be downloaded from The National Archives (TNA) for £3.45 each part from:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=%223+battalion+king%27s+royal+rifle+corps%22
The war diary for 1916 -1918 in Macedonia is not yet available digitally and cannot be ordered. It is TNA Catalogue reference WO 95/4889 November 1915 – November 1918.
Special awards to individuals were promulgated in the official publication “The London Gazette” but there is no immediately apparent entry for Walter Kendall, 8570, King’s Royal Rifle Corps. If you have the patience the Gazette can be searched online at:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/
Rifleman Walter Kendall, 8570 K.R.R.C. qualified for the 1914-15 Star, The British War Medal and the Victory Medal. He survived the war and was transferred to the Army Reserve on 6th February 1919.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Kath Blundell {Email left}
Location: Bedford
Date: Tuesday 28th June 2016 at 3:54 PM
Hi Alan,
I would be grateful for any information you may be able to find on my grandfather: Ernest Mahoney.
He was born in April 1894 and died in February 1940. His medal record reads as follows: 2492 Pte 2nd Co. Lond Yeo; 205466 12th York & Lanc R, 13th York & Lanc R. He was 'disembodied' 19/01/1919.
We believe whilst in the yeomanry he rode a horse called Biscuit. He was sadly gassed and, after the war suffered from lung problems. He died of pneumonia.
Sadly, my father was only 14 when he died and he obviously died before I was born - I would love to know more about him.
Kind regards,
Kath
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 28th June 2016 at 8:23 PM

Dear Kath,
No individual service record has survived for Ernest Mahoney so it is not possible to state his military service. He first served with the 2nd County of London Yeomanry which was part of the Territorial Army. The Territorial Force was embodied for wartime service with the regular army, so at the end of the war, its men were “disembodied”: i.e. ceased to serve under wartime pay and conditions, but could remain in the Territorial Army. After being in the Yeomanry, Ernest Mahoney served in the 12th and then 13th Battalions of the York and Lancaster Regiment. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service in a theatre of war before December 31st 1915, he did not enter a theatre of war until some date after January 1st 1916. As his dates of service and postings are not known it is not possible to say where he was or when. The 12th and 13th Battalions of the York and Lancaster Regiment both served with 94th Infantry Brigade in the 31st Division. The 12th Battalion was disbanded in France on 17th February 1918, so that might have been the date Ernest transferred to the 13th Battalion. For the 31st Division’s engagements in 1916 – 1918 see Chris Baker's website at:
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/31st-division/
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Kath Blundell
Date: Tuesday 28th June 2016 at 8:49 PM

Dear Alan,
Thank you very much for your quick response and the information supplied.
I shall certainly have a look at the website suggested.
Thank you once again & I will be pleased to make a donation.
Kind regards
Kath Blundell

Posted by: Margaret {Email left}
Location: Northampton
Date: Monday 27th June 2016 at 8:28 PM
Hello Alan,
I have found information of my great uncle, Roy Richard Charlish who was a deck hand on board the Fishing Vessel Falmouth, Grimsby. He was lost at sea, date of death reported as 12th April 1945. I have discovered he is listed in the Tower Hill Memorial panel list 125. I wondered if there is any record of what happened on the 12th April 1945, where and how the ship was sunk.
Regards,
Margaret
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 28th June 2016 at 12:36 PM

Dear Margaret,
Roy Richard Charlish, of Knight Street, Grimsby, was a deckhand on the Grimsby trawler “Falmouth” which was officially known as “Falmouth II” and whose official number was 108483. She was built in 1897 at Govan by Mackie and Thomson in Old Yard and launched on 1st September 1897. She was of 165 tons and had a steam engine built by Muir and Houston powering one screw. “Falmouth” had various owners and had seen service in the First World War with the Admiralty. She had operated out of Lowestoft from 1925 to 1945 when she returned to Grimsby and was acquired by the Standard Steam Fishing Company whose manager was Albert W. Butt.
On April 9th 1945, one month before V.E. Day, the trawler “Falmouth” left Grimsby to go on a routine week-long sailing with her crew of ten men aged between 43 and 63. “Falmouth” was due to return on April 16th but was not seen again. When the “Falmouth” failed to return the Company organised a search for her but she was not found. The “Falmouth” had struck one of the many mines drifting the in the fishing area, six miles East-North-East of No 62F Buoy off the Humber Estuary. On May 7th 1945, the day before V.E. day, it was announced that all hope had faded and her crew were missing and presumed dead.
Another trawler, the “Dinorah”, was lost in a similar fashion on April 28th when a loud explosion was heard by the crews of “Gurth” and “Rodistic” who saw a trawler, presumably the “Dinorah”, sinking. When they arrived at the spot, there was only wreckage but no survivors of the eleven man crew. The Grimsby Evening Telegraph stated the losses had left fourteen widows and 27 children without their fathers.
There is a photograph of the names of the “Falmouth” Crew on the Tower Hill Memorial at:
http://www.benjidog.co.uk/Tower%20Hill/Fishing%20Vessels%20Etruscan%20to%20Helpmate.html
During the war the fishing fleet continued to work despite the risk of enemy attack and minefields. Fish was not rationed but prices were controlled from 1941, and in reality the catch was only at one third of the pre-war levels.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Margaret
Date: Tuesday 28th June 2016 at 1:43 PM

Thank you once again Alan,

You are extremely informative and your help is very much appreciated!

Kindest Regards,
Margaret
Reply from: Stephen Glentworth
Date: Wednesday 27th July 2016 at 6:20 AM

Hello I have been looking for information on the fate of my great grandfather who was lost on the Falmouth 1945 and came across this link, his name is Michael Patrick Connor ( chief engineer)
Any information on him would help my search to locate his early life, thank you, steve.
Reply from: Margaret
Date: Wednesday 27th July 2016 at 7:11 PM

Hello Steve,

Like yourself, I was looking for information about the fate of my Great uncle, Roy Richard Charlish, who was also on board the fishing vessel Falmouth. The gentleman on this website has been very helpful in giving me information regarding several of my ancestors who served in WW1.

I have found lots of information about my ancestors earlier life through www.ancestry.co.uk. FindMyPast is also a very good genealogy website. I am a member of Ancestry and having put your uncles name and date of death, also lost at sea, Grimsby, Lincolnshire, there is information showing his WW1 & WW2 Rolls of Honour, also his information is also on the UK Commonwealth War Graves website. Also, this link indicates that he had a wife named Ada : http://www.londonremembers.com/memorials/mercantile-marine-memorial-ww2/inscriptions/16384.

Good luck,
Margaret
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 27th July 2016 at 7:30 PM

Dear Steve,
Reports of the sinking of the “Falmouth” do not provide any biographical information about members of the crew. The CWGC Debt of Honour recorded Michael Patrick Connor was aged 60 and the husband of Ada Connor of Grimsby. That would suggest he was born in about 1885, but his stated age at death might not be accurate as someone else had to register how old he was, or he might have made himself appear older when joining the forces or Merchant Navy (Mercantile Marine).
It is not possible to positively identify earlier records simply by name. However, there was one Michael Patrick Connor who could have been a Grimsby trawler-man, although I cannot prove it.
Two Royal Navy Reserve records stated a Michael Patrick Connor was born at Aberdeen on 26th March 1881, the son of Henry and Sarah Connor, who served as U1863, an engineman in the Royal Naval Reserve (RNR) in the First World War, on patrol service. This man had previously served in the Royal Naval Reserve with the number T1084. The Royal Naval Reserve was the volunteer Royal Naval force which attracted men from the Merchant Navy (Mercantile Marine). This man is of interest because he was employed on civilian trawlers at Hartlepool and Scarborough in the 1920s and was a Chief Engineer in the 1920s. The RNR records can be downloaded from the UK National Archives for £3.45 each. See:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8561200
and
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8581330
The fact he was a chief engineer is something of a coincidence and since the name Michael or Patrick Connor is one that is frequently occurring, it is not possible to state this man was the same man as your great grandfather, but it is worth considering before dismissing it, not least because there was no record of a birth of Michael Patrick Connor in Aberdeen on March 26th 1881.
There was however, a Michael Patrick Connor born on March 26th 1885 at St Andrew’s Street, Aberdeen, the son of Henry and Sarah Connor (GRO Scotland; Statutory Births, 1885, 168/010476). This would mean he would have been aged sixty in May 1945.
In the 1911 census of Scotland a Michael Conner, aged 30 (born Aberdeen 1881) was a married crew member on the Aberdeen-registered steam trawler A 357 the “A. Spence MacDonald” moored at St Clements, Aberdeen (1911 Scotland census 903/OS 013/00 018). He could have been the same man, stating he was born in 1881. He had married before the 1911 census.
A Michael Patrick Connor, a trawl fisherman, of 77 Regent Quay, Aberdeen, son of Henry and Sarah Connor, married Ada Monkman on 21st October 1903 at 10 Ferryhill Place, Aberdeen. He stated he was aged 18 (born 1885). Ada was 21 and the daughter of George and Martha Monkman.
The employment records to be searched would include the RNR records shown above and Merchant Navy (Mercantile Marine) records; however, the latter often identify men by their initials rather than fore-name and would be expensive to search online one-by-one. For research help see:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/merchant-seaman-serving-after-1917/
Details of Scarborough trawler owners and shipping registers up to 1923 are held on microfilm at the North Yorkshire County Archives, Northallerton.
The details provided here might be merely coincidental and are for information purposes only as their accuracy cannot be guaranteed owing to the lack of supporting material.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Samanth {Email left}
Location: Newtownards
Date: Monday 27th June 2016 at 4:39 PM
Hi im looking for some information and anything would be extremely appreciated. I have come across a medal in a box of things that belonged to my grandmother. Its a medal which is inscribed with 'the great war for civilisation 1914-1919 which ive looked up and seen is called a victory medal. On the side is inscribed Pte J Horrocks ..... W.Rid. R. I wonder if anyone could shed any light on who Pte Horrocks is...i have no idea who he is or where he's from and would be so excited to find out about him. Many thanks
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 27th June 2016 at 5:15 PM

What was the regimental number on the rim of the medal?
Alan
Reply from: Samantha Allan
Date: Monday 27th June 2016 at 5:22 PM

It says 1833 before the PTE. J. Horrocks
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Monday 27th June 2016 at 8:02 PM

Dear Samantha,
The regimental number identifies him as Private Joseph Horrocks, 1833, of the 4th Battalion the Duke of Wellington’s (West Riding) Regiment. Unfortunately there is no surviving record that contains biographical information about him, so it is not possible to say who he was. An army War Badge roll showed he enlisted on 8th August 1914. The 4th Battalion West Riding Regiment was a pre-war Territorial Army regiment with a Headquarters at Halifax, so it is likely he was a local man. He went overseas to France on 30th June 1915 and in addition to trench warfare he would have fought on the Somme from July 1st 1916 at the Battle of Albert (1–13 July 1916); The Battle of Bazentin Ridge (14–17 July 1916) ; and possibly the Battle of Pozieres Ridge (23 July - 3 September 1916). However, he was discharged because of sickness and being no longer physically fit for war service, on 21st September 1916, so he would have been in hospital some time before that date. He qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. He was granted a silver War Badge for being discharged through sickness.
With kind regards,
Alan
Posted by: Margaret {Email left}
Location: Northampton
Date: Sunday 26th June 2016 at 5:08 PM
Hello Alan,

My grandfather, Frank Nicholls was in the Coldstream Guards. I would like to find any information of his time whilst serving in the Coldstream Guards. He left the Coldstream Guards to get married in 1914 but was conscripted back and was signed up into the York and Lancaster Regiment; 1st Battalion. I'm unsure if Grandad had a different service number when first signing up for the Coldstream Guards but in the York and Lancs Regiment, Grandad's rank was a 'Private' and his Service No. was 17398.

I am trying to establish the date he was signed up and the date he was sent home after being injured in action during the spring of 1915 in France. My father originally thought Grandad had fought in the Battle of Mons, but I believe grandad wasn't signed up until November or December of 1914, just after the Battle of Mons. I wondered if you had any details of the battle my grandfather took place in and also if there are any medical records as to his injuries. I do know he was shot in the left shoulder and the muscle was damaged, leaving grandad with limited use of his left arm. My father knows he did receive three medals one of which I do have and it is from that medal that I have found his regiment, and service number inscribed on the rim.

Kind Regards, Margaret
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 26th June 2016 at 8:33 PM

Dear Margaret,
There are no records for a Frank Nicholls with the regimental number 17398 but the Army medal rolls did have a Frank Nicholls shown as 17399 York and Lancaster Regiment. He first went overseas to France on 11th March 1915 which was two months after the 1st Battalion York and Lancaster had gone to France, so he was probably part of a draft of reinforcements. His Silver War Badge roll stated he enlisted on 23rd November 1914 and was discharged as no longer physically fit on 31st March 1916 because of a gunshot wound to the left breast and shoulder. The 1st Battalion served in France and Flanders and in the Spring of 1915 they had been fighting in the Second Battle of Ypres (22 April – 25 May 1915) and then the Battle of Loos in September 1915. In October 1915 the Battalion left France for Salonika via Egypt arriving in late December 1915 and remaining in Macedonia for the remainder of the war. No individual war-time service record has survived for Frank Nicholls so it is not possible to state where or when he was wounded. Medical records have not survived.
Frank Nicholls qualified for the 1914-15 Star; the British War Medal and the Victory Medal and he was granted a Silver War Badge for being discharged because of wounds.
The Coldstream Guards keep their own records. They charge £33 to conduct a search. See:
https://www.coldstreamguards.org.uk/histories-of-the-coldstream-guards/archives.html
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Margaret
Date: Sunday 26th June 2016 at 10:12 PM

Thank you Alan,

The number is very faint on the medal and I can see it is actually 17399. The dates you have given, do tally with approximate dates I have. It looks like Grandad was discharged before the Second Battle of Ypres, so maybe there is no way of finding out which battle he was injured. The badges you mention are the ones my father remembers grandad received.

Do you know of any battles that took place between 23rd November 1914 and 31st March 1916 in which the 1st Battalion served in France and Flanders?

Thank you for all of the above information,
Kind Regards,
Margaret

Posted by: Butch Marshall {Email left}
Location: Newark On Trent
Date: Saturday 25th June 2016 at 9:50 PM
Hello Alan,

I am trying to find details of Harry Grant, born in Holbeach Lincolnshire, but according to Forces War Records resided in Leeds. His service number was 50021 and was registered as serving in the 1st Bn Lincolnshire Regt but sadly died Thursday 30th May 1918 in the Battle of Aisne. He may also have served in the 15th (Service) Bn, PWO West Yorks Regt, 1st Leeds. Perhaps in the drummers and buglers?

He is not a relative of mine - but someone has given me brief information about him. I'd like to know a bit more about him if possible.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 26th June 2016 at 2:31 PM

Unfortunately, no individual service record has survived for Harry Grant so it is not possible to state his military service. An army medal roll showed he served overseas only in the 1st Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment and qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service abroad before December 31st 1915, he did not serve in a theatre of war until some date after January 1st 1916. He would therefore have been part of a draft of reinforcements to the 1st Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment as they had been in France since 1914.
“Soldiers Died in the Great War” recorded Harry Grant lived in Leeds and enlisted at Colsterdale, which was a training camp for the Leeds Pals (West Yorkshire Regiment). Harry had previously served in the Prince of Wales’s Own West Yorkshire Regiment with the number 1814, so he must have been transferred to the Lincolnshire Regiment at some stage.
Harry Grant has no marked grave and is commemorated on the Soissons Memorial.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Butch Marshall
Date: Monday 27th June 2016 at 9:58 AM

Dear Alan,

Thank you for a very quick and concise reply to my enquiry. The information has given a little more insight into this soldier. I shall now try a more in depth research of my own.

Once again, many thanks

Best wishes, Butch
Posted by: John Nicholls {Email left}
Location: Harlow
Date: Saturday 25th June 2016 at 7:09 PM
Hi Alan
Hope is all well with you, can you possibly find out please of my gt Uncle Thomas West, Born 1878 in Brentford. He joined the Durham Light Infantry at Hounslow Middlesex. Service No : 49783. All we know is that he was killed in action in April 1917.Just a thought Alan why would he join the Durham Light Infantry in West London if they were based in Durham ?.
Kind regards
Jonboy
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 26th June 2016 at 1:46 PM

Dear Jonboy,
Thomas West was compulsorily conscripted at the comparatively high age of 37 in 1916 when he was ordered to report to Chiswick Town Hall on 11th July 1916. He therefore had no choice in his regiment and he was posted on 13th July from Hounslow Barracks to the 2nd/5th Battalion Durham Light Infantry (D.L.I.) which was a reserve and training battalion based at Catterick Garrison in Yorkshire. After basic training he was posted to the 4th Battalion D.L.I. on 24th October 1916 at Seaham Harbour on the County Durham coast. The 4th Battalion was also a reserve and training battalion. Thomas remained there until 10th January 1917 when he was sent as part of a draft of reinforcements to France from Folkestone. He was at the 35th Infantry Base Depot at Rouen the next day when he was initially posted to the 10th Battalion D.L.I. but that was altered to the 14th Battalion D.L.I. on 13th January 1917. He joined the Battalion at Cambrin near Bethune on 15th January 1917. The 14th Battalion D.L.I. was with the 18th Infantry Brigade in the 6th Division. The Division was in the Pas de Calais in the area facing Loos-en-Gohelle.
On the 21st April 1917, the 14th Battalion D.L.I. was tasked with clearing German strong points and trenches that were preventing an advance in the mining town of Lens that had been occupied and fortified by the enemy. The Battalion was already reduced in strength to about 400 men. After a heavy artillery barrage they attacked at 5 p.m. in the area of “Fosse No. 12” which was the St Edward coal mine that was destroyed during the war. The mine stood on the border of the towns of Loos-en-Gohelle and Lens. The Battalion’s objectives were the strong points and the railway leading to and from the ruined mine. The first strong point was taken by 2/Lt C.R. Gold with 18 men who crawled round amongst the houses in No Man’s Land. Five of them rushed the strong point from behind just as the enemy were emerging, all of whom were killed or taken prisoner. The men then moved along the railway embankment under enemy machine-gun fire and attacked the enemy trench known as Novel Alley. By night-time they had captured two strong points and the whole of Novel Alley.
At night the Germans made two heavy counter-attacks which were fought off. However the D.L.I. suffered casualties from artillery barrages. The attack continued until late the next day with many casualties caused by artillery which reached into the rear positions of the Brigade. The Battalion was relieved on 23rd April at 4.30 a.m..
Thomas West was killed in action at Lens on 21st April 1917. He had been in France for 101 days. Thomas has no marked grave and is commemorated on the Loos Memorial to the missing. The memorial is in Dud Corner Cemetery.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Jonboy
Date: Sunday 26th June 2016 at 2:33 PM

Thanks so much for that Alan, Donation on way to our local office.
Regards
Jonboy
Posted by: Eric Mclean {Email left}
Location: Glasgow
Date: Thursday 23rd June 2016 at 10:23 PM
Hi ,
I wonder if you could possibly find out the reason for my great,great Uncle Joseph Jordan 300424 Argyll and Sutherland highlanders, being awarded a M.M , date of death 23rd March 1917, buried at Aubigny Communal Cemetry Extension , France
Many thanks
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 24th June 2016 at 10:35 AM

Dear Eric,
Citations for the Military Medal were not published nationally. The citations accompanied the medal and remained with the family. The award of the Military Medal to Joseph Jordan of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders was promulgated in the London Gazette of 11th May 1917. The entry simply states his name, number and regiment in a list of recipients.
Private Jordan had died of wounds at a casualty clearing station at Aubigny-en-Artois where he was buried on 23rd March 1917.
Private Jordan served in the 8th Battalion Princess Louise’s Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. In the month of March 1917 the Battalion was generally occupied in training. A working party of 70 men was in Arras, but at 6.15 a.m. on March 17th 1917, 400 men of B and D Companies of the Battalion conducted a successful 40-minute trench raid on the enemy position at Roclincourt on the outskirts of Arras. Eighty-two men of the Battalion were wounded, so it is just possible Joseph Jordan took part in that raid, but that is by no means certain.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Eric Mclean
Date: Thursday 30th June 2016 at 10:40 AM

Thank you Alan,
Any info at all is appreciated .
Regards
Eric
Posted by: David Whitley {Email left}
Location: Rainhill Merseyside
Date: Wednesday 22nd June 2016 at 6:42 PM
Hi Alan. I've been recommended to contact you by Brian Renshall of Rainhill. I'm trying to find out if my late father in law fought in the battle of the Somme. He survived the war, but was wounded. Name George Joseph Shaw, Born Widnes, 14th or 16th February 1893. Service number 240749 (2683 also quoted). Private in the South Lancashire Regiment. Recruited 9.5.1915. Discharged unfit for service 20.12 1917. Lived until he was 95 years old.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 22nd June 2016 at 10:27 PM

Dear David,
George Shaw enlisted at Widnes on 7th September 1914. He went to France in May 1915. He was of the minimum height of 5ft 3ins and was posted to the 2nd/5th Battalion of the Prince of Wales’s Volunteers (South Lancashire) Regiment at St Helens which was being newly-raised in September 1914. This was a second-line, or reserve, battalion for the pre-war Territorial Army battalion numbered the 5th South Lancashire Regiment. George’s original regimental number was 2683 which was changed in 1917 to 240749 when all Territorial Force soldiers were re-numbered in a tidying up of the numbering system. The 2nd/5th Battalion (“Second-Fifth”) provided reinforcements for the 5th Battalion which had sailed to France in February 1915. George Shaw sailed to France as part of a draft of reinforcements on the night of May 8th/9th 1915. The 5th Battalion was involved in the Second Battle of Ypres between 22nd April and 25th May 1915. The 5th Battalion served with the 12th Infantry Brigade in the 4th Division until 4th November 1915 when the 12th Brigade was attached to the 36th Ulster Division to assist with their training at Abbeville. On 6th January 1916, the 5th Battalion moved to 166th Brigade in the 55th Division.
The 55th Division was at Arras until late July 1916 when it moved to the Somme département of France on July 25th and was in the front line near Guillemont but did not take part in any major attack until The Battle of Guillemont between 4th and 6th September and The Battle of Ginchy on 9th September 1916.
Rifleman Shaw was mildly wounded by a shrapnel ball on August 9th 1916, but he was able to return to his battalion on the same day. On 9th September 1916, he was seriously wounded with a bullet entering the lower left jaw which it fractured before coming to rest under his chin. George was admitted to hospital at Rouen, where the bullet was removed and from where he was transferred to England and then to the 2nd Scottish General Hospital for remedial treatment throughout the following year. He was discharged as no longer physically fit for war service on 20th December 1917.
George Shaw qualified for the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
The war diaries of the 5th Battalion can be downloaded for a fee of £3.45 for each part from:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=%225+Battalion+South+Lancashire+Regiment%22
When George died in 1988, the informant told the Registrar his date of birth was 20th February 1893 (GRO deaths, Jan-Mar 1988, St Helens, Merseyside, volume 37; page 206).
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: David Whitley
Date: Wednesday 22nd June 2016 at 11:01 PM

Thank you Alan. That was more than I had hoped for. My wife will be thrilled to know the details of her father's war service. That report rather understates the damage to his jaw, which was partially removed. Needless to say, the experience affected the rest of his life and gave him years of pain. But he survived into his nineties with a very sharp mind.
David
Posted by: Pat Craig {Email left}
Location: Oakham
Date: Wednesday 22nd June 2016 at 2:38 PM
Alan, I have just found my great uncle's Red Cross POW records for WW1. (William Nash). Can you please tell me what "nicht verw." means? His capture was at Honnecourt (Battle of Cambrai, I believe) 30 Nov 1917. He is listed as Army Service Corps but no company given. How can I find the correct War Diary? He does not seem to have a Service record or Pension Record although he survived the war. I would like to know the circumstances of his capture if I could. I have the postcard he sent his sister from the PO Camp.
Thank you.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 22nd June 2016 at 8:29 PM

Dear Pat,
Nicht Verw. is an abbreviation of nicht verwundet which means not wounded.
It is not possible to identify a particular company of the A.S.C. in which William Nash served without his individual service record, which does not appear to be among the 40 percent of service records that survived after the London Blitz of September 1940. Most soldiers did not receive a pension but could qualify for a small lump-sum War Gratuity dependant on length and type of service. The “pension” records on the Ancestry website are records of men who had been medically discharged and were no longer receiving pensions; who had died; or whose application had been rejected, and whose records had been stored at Blackpool by the Ministry of Pensions and were destined for the Second World War waste paper salvage campaign before being retrieved for archiving instead of going for pulping. They became known as “the unburnt documents” in The National Archive catalogue reference WO 364. As William Nash was apparently not wounded, there would be no record in the unburnt documents.
The Western Front Association does maintain a collection of First World War pension record cards and ledgers with some six million entries that are not available elsewhere. They will conduct a manual search for £25. See:
http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/all-about-the-wfa/wfa-news-events/pension-records.html
Otherwise, you would need to know from family sources in which company of the A.S.C. William Nash had served.
With kind regards,
Alan
Reply from: Pat Craig
Date: Thursday 23rd June 2016 at 12:27 PM

Alan, Thank you very much for your helpful information. I will see what I can find out from here. This is the second time you have helped me - thank you.
Kind regards, Pat.

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