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Posted by: Bee {Email left}
Location: Barnsley
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 12:44 PM
Hi alan could you help me find Herbert Glover of Worsboro Dale, Barnsley. he was a private in the Yorks& Lancaster Regiment, 14/42.he was killed in action on the 25th of July 1916 in france. he was married to a Mary Elizabeth Grimshaw. born about 1885.sorry but i have no more information on him. would appreciate anything you could help me with.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Saturday 24th November 2012 at 9:05 PM

Dear Bee,
No individual service record has survived for Herbert Glover so it is not possible to suggest his wartime service in detail. His regimental number showed he served with the 14th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment (2nd Barnsley) which was raised in November 1914 and trained at Penkridge Camp on Cannock Chase. In December 1915 the battalion was sent to Egypt on the Suez Canal defences and was then sent to France in March 1916 where it served with the 94th Infantry Brigade in the 31st Division. The Division served on the Somme and took part in The Battle of Albert (July 1-13th 1916) including the attack on Serre. See:

Later in July the division moved to the area of Laventie and Richebourg in the Pas de Calais where they were in trench routine. Herbert Glover was killed on July 25th 1916 and is buried at Rue Du Bacquerot No1 Military Cemetery near the main Estaires to La Bassee road.
Kind regards,

Posted by: Kerry {Email left}
Location: Norfolk
Date: Friday 23rd November 2012 at 12:43 AM
Hi alan

im a total beginner at family research but wondered if you could help trace my great grandfather.his name is james frederick jones.i have my grandma,s birth certificate and on there it says he was a sergient with 20th middlesex regiment from 1915.could you tell me any details about him like were he served,any medals etc. i dont no if you could also tell me what date he was born and were.thanks
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Friday 23rd November 2012 at 8:55 PM

Dear Kerry,
The only record for James Frederick Jones of the 20th Middlesex Regiment is a Silver War Badge roll which showed he enlisted on 31 May 1915 and was discharged on 13th May 1916 as no longer physically fit for war service through sickness. He was awarded a Silver War Badge for being discharged through sickness. The badge was to be worn on civilian clothes to indicate he had previously served in uniform. He did not serve overseas and did not qualify for any medals. No biographical information was recorded. His approximate age and the name of his father should be recorded on his marriage certificate.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Kerry
Date: Friday 23rd November 2012 at 9:42 PM

Thank you for the information
Posted by: Gsdean {Email left}
Location: Leeds
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 12:45 PM
My grandmothers brother was killed in action and I know some details but not much.
Walter Smith - Royal Field Artillery (881922)
Born - Leeds, 1887.
Died - 05/12/1917 and buried at Dozinghem .

Could anyone add more detail about his units action at that time?

Posted by: Albert Hollis {Email left}
Location: Rustington West Sussex
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 11:55 AM
To trace the service record of my late father in law. William Archibald Hearn Born 31-1-1899
Service record. East Surrey Regt----Grenadier Guards. Regt No 317(or4)13
Hon discharge 2 May 1919. Possible served Jerusalem. Died Bournemouth 8 August 1969
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 2:07 PM

Dear Albert,
William Archibald Hearn would have been conscripted at the age of 18 and he enlisted on 15th August 1917. He served overseas with the Grenadier guards with the regimental number 31713. He was discharged, wounded, on 2nd May 1919. Service records for the Grenadier Guards are still held by the regiment. Enquiries should be sent by post to: The Regimental Archivist; RHQ Grenadier Guards, Wellington Barracks, London SW1 6HQ.
A research fee, currently £30, is payable for each enquiry. Cheques should be made payable to the Regimental Adjutant Grenadier Guards. In the case of individual service records as much information as possible should be provided, including the service number if known.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Albert Hollis
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 4:45 PM

£30.00 for info seems to me a little excessive. Anybody out there with an alternative solution?
Thanks in advance Regards Albert
Reply from: Albert Hollis
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 8:49 PM

Dear Alan. Wondered if we could go back a step to the time when W.A.Hearn first joined The East Surrey Regt.
Perhaps obtaining his records would be easier from this Regiment.
Regards Albert
Posted by: Brenda {Email left}
Location: Glover
Date: Wednesday 21st November 2012 at 4:29 PM
Herbert Glover of Worsbough Dale Barnsley, died on the 25th of July 1916 in france, he was a private the yorks & lancaster reg battalion 14th number 42 . my father was in the second w.w. but he did not get killed, his name was also Herbert Glover,he was born on the 1.1.1916 but dont have any more information on him. I would be very grateful for any information you could find.
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 21st November 2012 at 9:45 PM

Dear Brenda,
Records of soldiers who fought in the Second World War are still held by the UK Ministry of Defence. The MOD will release certain amounts of information about a deceased person depending on whether you are the direct next-of-kin, or not. You can apply for a search using the different application forms for next-of-kin, or with permission of next-of-kin, or as a general enquirer. See:


You will need proof of death (copy of death certificate); the soldier's date of birth or service number and regiment (Home Guard); and next-of-kin's signed permission (unless you are the direct next-of-kin), known as form Part 1. You then need a completed form Part 2 (search details), and cheque for payment. The next-of-kin form (Part 1) is for completion by the next-of-kin of deceased service personnel (or enquirers with the consent of next of kin). Look for "Service records publications" under "Related pages" and follow the instructions. Otherwise use a general enquirer's form. The Part 2 form is entitled: "Request forms for service personnel Army" found under "Related Pages". A cheque for GBP 30 should be made payable to "The MOD Accounting Officer" and sent to Army Personnel Centre Secretariat, Disclosures 2, Mail Point 515, Kentigern House, 65, Brown Street, Glasgow G2 8EX Scotland with all the paperwork.
Searches take several months to complete.
Kind regards,
Posted by: Joyce Lindley {Email left}
Location: Rotherham
Date: Wednesday 21st November 2012 at 11:15 AM
My uncle died in w.w.1 in france in1916 his name is james willy hewitt.
he was born about 1899. he was a privatein the yorkshire & lancashere reg.
My father was also a private in the yorks & lancs reg he was wounded in france in w.w.1
he was discharged he then went into the home guard in w.w.11.he was born about 1893.
i would be very gratful for any information
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 21st November 2012 at 9:42 PM

Dear Joyce,
James Hewitt was recorded as James Willie Hewitt. His birth was registered in the last quarter of 1899 (GRO Births Oct-Nov-Dec 1899, Barnsley, Vol 9c Page 180). He enlisted at Birdwell, Barnsley,
on January 14th 1915, when he stated he was 18 and a half. He was, in fact, fifteen. James joined the York and Lancaster Regiment and trained with the 5th Reserve Battalion. He would have trained as a recruit at Clipstone Camp, near Mansfield. On 10th February 1916 he was posted as part of a draft of reinforcements to France and sailed from Southampton to Le Havre, passing through the 49th Division's base depot to join the 1st/5th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment. The 1st/5th Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment served with the 148th Infantry Brigade in the 49th (West Riding) Division. The Division was on the Somme and took part in the Battle of Albert (1st to 13th July 1916). James Hewitt was killed in action on 7th July 1916. He was initially reported missing but he was later identified as having been buried in a local grave. The grave was later lost during the war and James is recorded on the Thiepval memorial to the missing of the Somme who have no marked grave. He qualified for The British War Medal and the Victory Medal which were sent to his parents in 1921.
Kind regards,
Posted by: Mick {Email left}
Location: Delray Beach Fl
Date: Tuesday 20th November 2012 at 5:38 PM
Good day, Alan, and thank you in advance for any help you may give me.

I'm trying (trying is the operative word) to write a historical fiction that takes place in Ahmednagar, India, circa early 1920s.
There was an abondoned military camp there, established by the British, but these buildings were purchased in 1923 by early followers of Meher Baba for his work. They named in Meherabad. (Meherabad was established in 1923 and is a vital, active place now in 2012.)

While I have plenty of info on Meherbad (it can be found easily on Wikipedia and Google), I can find no information from the British side...such as when they established this far-flung military outpost...what regiment or unit was sent for...why...and by whom? A lot of questions related to what must be a very obscure WW1 post.

Anything you may be able to tell me would be most appreciated.

Best...Mick Karger ((mickkarger at aol dot com))
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 20th November 2012 at 9:16 PM

Dear Mick,
Ahmednagar Fort, in Ahmednagar city was the centre of the British cantonment used by artillery and infantry units, primarily between 1849 and 1921. In 1913 a Remount Depot was established to house 500 horses. In 1921, six Armoured Car companies were based there and in 1924 a Royal Tank Corps School was established at Ahmednagar. This School was the forerunner of the Fighting Vehicle School, and the area is now occupied by the Indian Armament & Electronics Regiment. Most of the barracks and bungalows which existed are still in use.

A remote hillside about six miles outside the city at Arangaon was leased by the British Indian Army towards the end of the First World War to house two (plague) segregation camps, supervised by the 2nd/102nd King Edward's Own Grenadiers and the 2nd/128th Pioneers of the Indian Army in 1919 on what later became known as Meherabad Hill. By 1921, during the famine of that year, the land was acquired by Kaikhushru and Gulmai Irani.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Mick
Date: Wednesday 21st November 2012 at 3:11 AM

Alan, all I can say is WOW...that may not be eloquent or articulate or literary, but it's the most fitting reponse I can think of.
Thank you, so very much...it's much, much more than I ever expected...or even hoped for. You're one helluva respository of vital information.

Had you heard of Meherbad before? It sounds as though you might have; but I wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't--Meher Baba and the places associated with his work are still pretty much unknown to the world.

Anyway, if I ever get this thing written (and I have my doubts; I'm not a novelist by vocation or avocation), yorr help will be gratefull acknowledged.

Much, much thanks...Mick Karger.
Posted by: Sigy {Email left}
Location: Worthing West Sussex
Date: Monday 19th November 2012 at 8:54 PM
Hello Alan. I have been searching for my Dads ww1 war records.

He was Frederick Arthur Sigsworth, born 1891 in Middlesbrough, North Yorkshire. I have found 2 Regimentel numbers.

No 24995 RE (Transportatin Branch. also, WR/347565. Could you possibly tell me what he might have done ?

I know he was shot through his left shoulder & think he lost a lung.

How can I find out where he was when that happened ? I know he received a pension. I can remember going with him to

the Post Office to withdraw it.

Is it possible that you can help me , please.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Tuesday 20th November 2012 at 5:40 PM

Dear Sigy,
Frederick Sigsworth volunteered to join the Army on 28th October 1915. He was single, a 24 year old baker, from St Paul's Road, Middlesbrough. He joined Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment) at Middlesbrough as a private soldier No. 24995. He was trained as a recruit with the 14th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment at Darlington and Newcastle upon Tyne. On 31st March 1916, Fred was posted to the 12th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment at Badajoz Barracks, Aldershot. The 12th Battalion was a pioneer battalion of men from Teesside. Pioneer battalions, as well as being soldiers, provided the labour force for a Division. They dug defences, erected wire and repaired trenches. The 12th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment departed for France on 1st June 1916 and arrived on June 2nd 1916 to serve under the command of 40th Division. You would need to see their war diary for specific locations as the Division could employ the battalion, or parts of the battalion, as it wished. (The war diary is available only at the National Archives at Kew in catalogue reference WO 95/2601/3).
The 40th Division took part in The Battle of the Ancre (on the Somme) in 1916. The following year they took part in The German retreat to the Hindenburg Line (March 1917) and The capture of Fifteen Ravine; Villers Plouich; Beaucamp and La Vacquerie (April and May 1917).
On 10th September 1917, Fred was posted to the 5th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment which served with the 150th Infantry Brigade in the 50th Division. In October 1917, he spent nine days in the 3rd Highland Field Ambulance for an unspecified wound or sickness between the 7th and 16th October 1917. The Division fought in the Second Battle of Passchendaele (26 October 10 November 1917) near Ypres. Fred was granted leave to the UK on an [illegible] date. In 1918, the Division had moved to the Somme and were involved in the German Spring Offensive known as "Operation Michael"; fighting at The Battle of St Quentin; The Actions at the Somme Crossings; and The Battle of Rosieres (27th March 1918). These battles involved a general withdrawal of the British Army which had been put to flight by the enemy from March 21st 1918. On 28th March 1918 Fred was wounded in action with a gun shot wound (severe) to the left shoulder. On that day the 50th Division had ordered a general withdrawal and were in the area of Caix and Harbonnieres near Rosieres. The Division managed to hold their line until March 31st 1918 when all units had passed to the rear. Had they not held the line, Fred would have been taken a prisoner of war. Fred was admitted to hospital in France and returned to the UK on 9th April 1918 and was treated at the Wharncliffe War Hospital at Sheffield (Middlewood Hospital), from where he was granted the usual home leave on recovery until 18th July 1918. He was then posted to the depot of the Yorkshire Regiment (3rd Battalion) at West Hartlepool. He spent a short time with the 6th Battalion at Margate before being returned to the depot on 5th September 1918. He was medically graded B2 and was transferred to the Royal Engineers for fatigues (light duties) at Home. He joined the Royal Engineers Inland Waterways and Docks at Richborough near Sandwich, which was the main RE docks in the UK. He became RE WR/347565 of the 59th Traffic Company at Richborough. He was based at Stonar Camp, Sandwich, which was built on the south side of Ramsgate Road, Ash, to serve the Richborough Military Port.
Fred was discharged from the Army on 7th March 1919. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. His character was recorded as: "very good".
Kind regards,
Reply from: Sigy
Date: Tuesday 20th November 2012 at 10:05 PM

Hello Alan, Thank you for your help. I am really Gratefull. I have an uncle Charles Brown Sigsworth, he was Frederick Arthur's brother. Charles Brown Sigsworth was born 1889, Middlesbrough. He was first sent to Gallipoli. I think with the Hampshire Regiment then to France & Flanders where he died.
I know he is in Potijze Chateau Wood Cemetry just outside Ypres. We managed to visit his grave there.
I have a number 17574 of the 11th Reserve Cavalry Regiment, Also Hampshire Regiment 17023 Private.
Is there anything you can tell me about him ?
Thank you Sigy
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Wednesday 21st November 2012 at 9:38 PM

Dear Sigy,
No individual service record has survived for Charles Sigsworth so it is not possible to suggest his military service. He apparently first enlisted with the 11th Reserve Cavalry Regiment at Tidworth, which did have affiliations with the Hampshire Yeomanry. An Army medal rolls index card showed he went to the Balkans on 24th August 1915 with the Hampshire Regiment. He may have been part of a draft of reinforcements to the 2nd Battalion at Gallipoli. The 2nd Battalion returned to Egypt in January 1916 and then sailed for France, arriving 21st March 1916 to serve with the 29th Division. Charles died of wounds received near Ypres on 21 July 1916 while serving with the 2nd Battalion Hampshire Regiment.
Kind Regards,
Reply from: Sigy
Date: Thursday 22nd November 2012 at 11:29 AM

Dear Alan, Thankyoy for all your help, We will be sending a donation to the British Legion, Sigy & Brian.
Posted by: Jonboy {Email left}
Location: Harlow Essex England
Date: Sunday 18th November 2012 at 12:47 PM
Hi Alan
This is realy a strange on so im not sure if you can help me on this one :

Elizabeth Nicholls Born 1666 in Moulsoe Buckinghamshire.
She married a Hezekiah Rhodes Snr Born 1684.on the 28th Oct 1684 aged 18.
But this is whats confusing me, she was ill on the Royal Naval Ship" Competitor"
i have no date on when this was but she is on record in her Married name !.the
records i got are only medical nothing about why she was on the ship or even
where it was going to.,Hope you might be able to throw some light on this
Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 18th November 2012 at 5:16 PM

Dear Jonboy,
It was quite common for Navy wives, or wives of more senior soldiers being carried on ships, to accompany men on a voyage. Sailors who made the Royal Navy their career were usually carried with the knowledge of the Captain. Some Captains disapproved of women aboard ship, others granted it as a concession to warrant officers and older sailors. The women were never on the ration strength and had to share their husband's rations. If a ship was engaged in battle women often collected gunpowder and carried it to an assigned gun. Another traditional role for women in battle was assisting the surgeon and they often appeared on the muster role as nurses. For a broader explanation of the women's role some years later in Nelson's Navy. See:


With the advent of steam, and therefore shorter voyages, the carrying of women declined.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Jonboy
Date: Sunday 18th November 2012 at 5:20 PM

Hi Alan
Many thanks for that.
Posted by: Paul {Email left}
Location: Keighley
Date: Saturday 17th November 2012 at 6:11 PM
Hi Alan,
I wondered if you would be able to help me please. I trying to find out about two people; my Great Grandfather and his movements, whereabouts, and an other information during the war, and also of George William Bellwood, my Great Grandmother's first husband.

The details I have are:

Herbert Hinchcliffe, (b. 18.4.1889, Leeds)
1/7 West Yorkshire Regiment (Leeds Rifles)
Regiment Numbers, 25260 5358 and 307134 (I've come across three)
Joined for duty December 1915 in Leeds.

George William Bellwood (b. June 1894 Boston, Lincolnshire)
1st Battalion Grenadier Guards (Rank GDSN)
Regiment Number: 24897
Killed in action: 12th October 1917

I would be grateful for any help.
Many thanks,

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 18th November 2012 at 5:17 PM

Dear Paul,
As you can see from the instructions above, I only answer one question at a time.
Herbert Hinchcliffe enlisted under the Derby Scheme which was a last call for men who had not yet volunteered to put their names down for war service. These men enlisted for one day and were sent home again to await call-up. Herbert was called up on 16th February 1916 and trained at the depot of the West Yorkshire Regiment and the regiment's 3rd/8th Battalion which was a training battalion based at Clipstone Camp, Notts. He was sent overseas on 16th June 1916 as part of a draft of reinforcements and joined the 8th Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment in France. The battalion was part of the 49th Division which fought on the Somme at the Battle of Albert and the Battle of Bezantin Ridge followed by The Battle of Pozieres Ridge and The Battle of Flers-Courcelette. On July 22nd Herbert was gassed, probably near Nieuport, and was sent to 47 General Hospital and returned to the UK on the Hospital Ship "SS Warilda". He was treated in hospital until November 1917 when he was posted to the 5th and 7th Reserve Battalions at Rugeley. On 5th January 1918 he went back to France and joined the 18th Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment on January 14th 1918. On February 4th 1918 he was posted to the 1st/7th Battalion, again in the 49th Division. He was reported missing on 16th April 1918. This was probably at Neuve Eglise during the Battle of Bailleul.
He re-joined his battalion on 4th December 1918, so it is possible he had been taken a prisoner of war.
He was discharged from the army in February 1919. He qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.
Kind regards,
Reply from: Paul
Date: Sunday 18th November 2012 at 5:34 PM

Hi Alan
Sorry for that I only realised after posting, apologies
Thanks a lot for the information, that's very useful and much appreciated.

Reply from: Alan Greveson
Date: Sunday 18th November 2012 at 5:46 PM

Dear Paul,
That's OK.
Service records for grenadier guardsmen are not in the public domain. Descendants of deceased guardsmen may apply by post for a search for records to: The Regimental Archivist, RHQ Grenadier Guards, Wellington Barracks, London, SW1 6HQ. You should enclose a cheque for 30 pounds payable to "Regimental Adjutant Grenadier Guards".
At the time of George Bellwood's death the 1st Bn Grenadier Guards was fighting in the Third Battle of Ypres 1917. George qualified for the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. As he did not qualify for the 1914-15 Star for service abroad before December 31st 1915, he did not serve overseas until some date after January 1st 1916.

Kind regards,

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